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Post by greenboy on Apr 25, 2020 7:31:15 GMT
I would have thought so, or maybe the 154. The aim seems to be to connect it to East Croydon ... neither 154 or 264 do that. I'm not sure that's essential, it's an easy change to Tramlink at West Croydon in fact most people probably walk to Church Street tramstop anyway. I suspect the 166/312/455 changes will be the only ones that happen. |
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Post by capitalpotter on Apr 25, 2020 14:57:29 GMT
Another new estate having a bus diverted into it is new mill quarter in hackbridge. 151 is proposed to cut through the estate in both directions. Nobody who lives there wants a double decker running through it as it passed playground and there's no definitive pavement. I think a good compromise would be to extend the 455 to new mill quarter as getting to Croydon from hackbridge is surprisingly harder than you'd think
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Post by vjaska on Apr 25, 2020 17:29:20 GMT
Another new estate having a bus diverted into it is new mill quarter in hackbridge. 151 is proposed to cut through the estate in both directions. Nobody who lives there wants a double decker running through it as it passed playground and there's no definitive pavement. I think a good compromise would be to extend the 455 to new mill quarter as getting to Croydon from hackbridge is surprisingly harder than you'd think Do you happen to know the routing it would take? Have to say I don't understand the issue with a double deck passing a playground when this happens in many other parts of London - do like your idea of the 455 serving it though. |
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Post by greenboy on Apr 25, 2020 19:20:59 GMT
Another new estate having a bus diverted into it is new mill quarter in hackbridge. 151 is proposed to cut through the estate in both directions. Nobody who lives there wants a double decker running through it as it passed playground and there's no definitive pavement. I think a good compromise would be to extend the 455 to new mill quarter as getting to Croydon from hackbridge is surprisingly harder than you'd think There is clearly a lot of animosity towards the idea of double deckers, it seems most residents had envisaged something like a half hourly single decker service which they say would be quite adequate for demand. The 455 is rumoured to be in line for withdrawal with the S4 taking over the Wallington end. |
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Post by capitalpotter on Apr 26, 2020 19:51:56 GMT
Another new estate having a bus diverted into it is new mill quarter in hackbridge. 151 is proposed to cut through the estate in both directions. Nobody who lives there wants a double decker running through it as it passed playground and there's no definitive pavement. I think a good compromise would be to extend the 455 to new mill quarter as getting to Croydon from hackbridge is surprisingly harder than you'd think Do you happen to know the routing it would take? Have to say I don't understand the issue with a double deck passing a playground when this happens in many other parts of London - do like your idea of the 455 serving it though. It's proposed to route along felnex avenue and spinnin wheel way. It's also going be restricted to buses only on spinning wheel way using a bus gate |
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Post by capitalpotter on Apr 26, 2020 19:56:30 GMT
Another new estate having a bus diverted into it is new mill quarter in hackbridge. 151 is proposed to cut through the estate in both directions. Nobody who lives there wants a double decker running through it as it passed playground and there's no definitive pavement. I think a good compromise would be to extend the 455 to new mill quarter as getting to Croydon from hackbridge is surprisingly harder than you'd think There is clearly a lot of animosity towards the idea of double deckers, it seems most residents had envisaged something like a half hourly single decker service which they say would be quite adequate for demand. The 455 is rumoured to be in line for withdrawal with the S4 taking over the Wallington end. I like the idea of creating a new route S2. From Sutton to Croydon via westmead road and then colston avenue, green writhe and then following the 151 up to Wallington but via new mill quarter and then maybe direct along Stafford road to five ways then duppas hill and ontovwest Croydon via old town |
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Post by danorak on Apr 27, 2020 21:29:47 GMT
After reading this, I had a look at the latest pronouncements about Croydon Westfield. I think it's fair to say that the omens are not good. The project is 'under review' and not in the developers immediate pipeline. It rather looks like the slow demise of the high street will lead to the scheme being revamped to become far more residential. I'm not necessarily opposed to this - there's a housing shortage and more shops than we know what to do with - but it may well change the assumptions about Croydon transport needs.
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Post by TB123 on Apr 27, 2020 21:33:16 GMT
After reading this, I had a look at the latest pronouncements about Croydon Westfield. I think it's fair to say that the omens are not good. The project is 'under review' and not in the developers immediate pipeline. It rather looks like the slow demise of the high street will lead to the scheme being revamped to become far more residential. I'm not necessarily opposed to this - there's a housing shortage and more shops than we know what to do with - but it may well change the assumptions about Croydon transport needs. Regardless of Westfield happening, there's 46,000 new homes envisaged for Croydon over the next 20 years. Most of them in the south of the Borough which isn't so well served. Not only will they need transport connections but there will be section 106 funding aplenty to fund this extra buses. So I expect no matter what happens with the Whitgift centre revelopment that Croydon will see a significant expansion of bus services in future. |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 27, 2020 21:39:18 GMT
After reading this, I had a look at the latest pronouncements about Croydon Westfield. I think it's fair to say that the omens are not good. The project is 'under review' and not in the developers immediate pipeline. It rather looks like the slow demise of the high street will lead to the scheme being revamped to become far more residential. I'm not necessarily opposed to this - there's a housing shortage and more shops than we know what to do with - but it may well change the assumptions about Croydon transport needs. This is assuming that any new homes won't be non affordable apartment blocks for the middle classes with a short shelf life before major building flaws are discovered and result in their demolition further down the line - sorry but I'm a massive cynic regarding new buildings & how affordable they will be to the working classes. |
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Post by YY13VKP on Apr 27, 2020 22:40:42 GMT
After reading this, I had a look at the latest pronouncements about Croydon Westfield. I think it's fair to say that the omens are not good. The project is 'under review' and not in the developers immediate pipeline. It rather looks like the slow demise of the high street will lead to the scheme being revamped to become far more residential. I'm not necessarily opposed to this - there's a housing shortage and more shops than we know what to do with - but it may well change the assumptions about Croydon transport needs. Regardless of Westfield happening, there's 46,000 new homes envisaged for Croydon over the next 20 years. Most of them in the south of the Borough which isn't so well served. Not only will they need transport connections but there will be section 106 funding aplenty to fund this extra buses. So I expect no matter what happens with the Whitgift centre revelopment that Croydon will see a significant expansion of bus services in future. COVID-19 has certainly thrown the Westfield development into further doubt, I do hope it happens eventually though as the Whitgift Centre is certainly on the decline, I certainly don't go as often as I once did, preferring to go elsewhere. It's time is up and although it has been a big part of my childhood, Westfield can't come soon enough to bring some life back into Croydon Town Centre and it would be highly beneficial long term, just look at what happened to Stratford for example. |
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Post by danorak on Apr 28, 2020 9:11:15 GMT
Regardless of Westfield happening, there's 46,000 new homes envisaged for Croydon over the next 20 years. Most of them in the south of the Borough which isn't so well served. Not only will they need transport connections but there will be section 106 funding aplenty to fund this extra buses. So I expect no matter what happens with the Whitgift centre revelopment that Croydon will see a significant expansion of bus services in future. COVID-19 has certainly thrown the Westfield development into further doubt, I do hope it happens eventually though as the Whitgift Centre is certainly on the decline, I certainly don't go as often as I once did, preferring to go elsewhere. It's time is up and although it has been a big part of my childhood, Westfield can't come soon enough to bring some life back into Croydon Town Centre and it would be highly beneficial long term, just look at what happened to Stratford for example. It's a couple of years now since I ventured into Croydon for shopping. It's not just COVID-19 though - 'anchor' tenants like House of Fraser, Debenhams and even John Lewis are struggling. The department store concept is being destroyed by web shopping. A much smaller shopping centre with more residential may well be the only route forward. |
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Post by ibus246 on May 15, 2020 8:30:33 GMT
I've got it saved as a download. I'll attach it to a post. Just saw this regards the 434 potentially being re-routes via Higher Drive. Another trip down memory lane, in 2003 when the route was tested, this route was also proposed and the left hand turn from Firs Road into Park Road proved impossible. It’s a tight turn even today. |
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Post by Ts_As on Jun 17, 2020 19:12:19 GMT
I think the plan is good for 312, extending it to Crystal Palace for links and extending it to Purley Old Lodge Lane just time help out 455 to also provide more links. 363 extending to Norwood Junction would be also good even doe the route would just have to follow 157 and 197. I must say the consultation should have included either 249 or 432 because one of those routes needs to get extended down to Elmers End to provide more links.
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 17, 2020 19:46:15 GMT
I think the plan is good for 312, extending it to Crystal Palace for links and extending it to Purley Old Lodge Lane just time help out 455 to also provide more links. 363 extending to Norwood Junction would be also good even doe the route would just have to follow 157 and 197. I must say the consultation should have included either 249 or 432 because one of those routes needs to get extended down to Elmers End to provide more links. Think you are missing the point about the 455, it would be cut back to West Croydon. The only part I can see happening are the 166/312/455 Purley/South Croydon change, and the old town bus as they got external funding for that. Rest I will be shocked to see the light of day. |
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Post by TB123 on Jun 17, 2020 19:54:44 GMT
I think the plan is good for 312, extending it to Crystal Palace for links and extending it to Purley Old Lodge Lane just time help out 455 to also provide more links. 363 extending to Norwood Junction would be also good even doe the route would just have to follow 157 and 197. I must say the consultation should have included either 249 or 432 because one of those routes needs to get extended down to Elmers End to provide more links. Think you are missing the point about the 455, it would be cut back to West Croydon. The only part I can see happening are the 166/312/455 Purley/South Croydon change, and the old town bus as they got external funding for that. Rest I will be shocked to see the light of day. Most of the others like the 359 extension are also dependent on external funding, S106 from the new homes proposed in the Borough. The proposed Old Town bus services aren't dependent on external funding - only the infrastructure works are. |
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