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Post by snowman on Jun 2, 2021 6:00:31 GMT
I'm slightly confused. Is the 4% PVR cut part of the July and September reviews or is that something confirmed as happening now? It seemed it was leaked that the 7, 30, 43, 113 were dropping to every 12 and 10 mins respectively with the 49, 148 and 344 tendered with lower PVRs. The July review is buses, September is tube and TfL rail (per TfL Board papers) It is to determine demand levels content.tfl.gov.uk/board-20210609-agenda-and-papers.pdfThe 4% is an overall target for whole of London (announced couple years ago) From memory was nearer 11% cut in central London and about 1-2% cut in outer London, although in a few local development areas where buses were increasing My guess is that because buses were losing nearly £2m per day before the pandemic, it is not considered financially sustainable long term, so new plan is to review in July then amend frequencies (and possibly bus network, although this would need consultation so take longer) ahead of negotiations for extension of bailout beyond December. I would not expect it to be drastic changes to try and reduce loss to zero, but more a big thinning of routes and times where buses are mainly carrying fresh air. Running buses to move people at times they want to travel, rather than running them regardless for operational simplicity.
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Post by thelondonthing on Jun 2, 2021 7:20:39 GMT
The July review is buses, September is tube and TfL rail (per TfL Board papers) It is to determine demand levels content.tfl.gov.uk/board-20210609-agenda-and-papers.pdfThe 4% is an overall target for whole of London (announced couple years ago) From memory was nearer 11% cut in central London and about 1-2% cut in outer London, although in a few local development areas where buses were increasing My guess is that because buses were losing nearly £2m per day before the pandemic, it is not considered financially sustainable long term, so new plan is to review in July then amend frequencies (and possibly bus network, although this would need consultation so take longer) ahead of negotiations for extension of bailout beyond December. I would not expect it to be drastic changes to try and reduce loss to zero, but more a big thinning of routes and times where buses are mainly carrying fresh air. Running buses to move people at times they want to travel, rather than running them regardless for operational simplicity. Despite what it says on the TfL Agenda, the Government is expecting two reviews for buses, not one; as specified in the Transport for London Settlement Letter from the Department for Transport. As mentioned in an earlier post, the first review is to be delivered by 19 July. The second review is due by 17 September, which is also the date on which the Underground and TfL Rail reviews are due.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 2, 2021 7:45:59 GMT
I'm assuming it was reviews in the past that highlighting that excess capacity had opened up on the 13 and 48 corridors?
I guess every route gets looked at and 95% will be rubber stamp jobs of 'yes they provide value for money, capacity matches demand etc' a few particularly in central London may be found to now be in that category or a section of them similar to the 19, 171.
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Post by snowman on Sept 29, 2021 5:21:49 GMT
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 10, 2021 11:32:43 GMT
Sadiq Khan 'melodramatic' over Tube funding - ministerThe government has said it is proposing financial help for Transport for London (TfL) to deal with the funding crisis caused by coronavirus restrictions.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-59578989London Underground: TfL set to axe hundreds of jobs amid financial crisisHundreds of Tube job roles are set to be axed across the network as Transport for London (TfL) bids to save cash.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-59555640
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 10, 2021 11:47:21 GMT
Sadiq Khan 'melodramatic' over Tube funding - ministerThe government has said it is proposing financial help for Transport for London (TfL) to deal with the funding crisis caused by coronavirus restrictions.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-59578989Technically it would be current vacancies not filled and any over the next couple of years through natural turnover not being filled either. London Underground: TfL set to axe hundreds of jobs amid financial crisisHundreds of Tube job roles are set to be axed across the network as Transport for London (TfL) bids to save cash.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-59555640
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Post by M1104 on Dec 15, 2021 19:24:00 GMT
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Post by thesquirrels on Dec 15, 2021 19:45:12 GMT
And the ending of TfL's participation in the travelcard scheme. Less of a big deal than it in the contactless era, but still feels huge. Will have cost ramifications for those of us in the Home Counties who commute in or use the train for leisure journeys to London.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 16, 2021 0:50:33 GMT
I am not surprised, Khan has basically tried to be Livingstone and failed badly.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 16, 2021 12:41:23 GMT
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Dec 17, 2021 19:42:52 GMT
The current extraordinary funding and financing agreement between TfL and the Department for Transport (DfT) has been extended to 4 February 2022.
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Post by WH241 on Dec 17, 2021 20:08:00 GMT
The current extraordinary funding and financing agreement between TfL and the Department for Transport (DfT) has been extended to 4 February 2022. I'm sure they will make sure they blow it by Feb 22.
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Post by ServerKing on Dec 18, 2021 5:45:42 GMT
The current extraordinary funding and financing agreement between TfL and the Department for Transport (DfT) has been extended to 4 February 2022. I'm sure they will make sure they blow it by Feb 22. With Lockdown 4, that's very likely. There's talk of another conference today as a rattled Boris ups the ante on the virus. I was working near Regent Street (Soho) yesterday and the place is deserted. Only people walking around were Westminster City wardens in their hi viz, but very few people for them to assist (not their dark clothed traffic colleagues BTW). A further drop in numbers in all modes will kill off TfL's hopes of managing itself. Usually when the body is ill, the core is kept going to fight infection, but with TfL, it's the reverse with buses more busy on the outskirts Not many will bother with next week, and with schools broken up, and those with money already off on winter breaks abroad, I can see another bleak winter ahead. Expect bus capacity slashed again as we go backwards. People paying for ULEZ won't want to pay extra council tax to keep TfL alive. It's time to turn the machine off. Let DfT run it, they seem to manage with the train franchises which collapsed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 8:05:08 GMT
I'm sure they will make sure they blow it by Feb 22. With Lockdown 4, that's very likely. There's talk of another conference today as a rattled Boris ups the ante on the virus. I was working near Regent Street (Soho) yesterday and the place is deserted. Only people walking around were Westminster City wardens in their hi viz, but very few people for them to assist (not their dark clothed traffic colleagues BTW). A further drop in numbers in all modes will kill off TfL's hopes of managing itself. Usually when the body is ill, the core is kept going to fight infection, but with TfL, it's the reverse with buses more busy on the outskirts Not many will bother with next week, and with schools broken up, and those with money already off on winter breaks abroad, I can see another bleak winter ahead. Expect bus capacity slashed again as we go backwards. People paying for ULEZ won't want to pay extra council tax to keep TfL alive. It's time to turn the machine off. Let DfT run it, they seem to manage with the train franchises which collapsed. I blame TfL. Their strategy for a while has been deliberately anti bus, anti road traffic, pro cycling, pro walking. They’ve made decisions that directly turned people away from spending money using their services. Then covid hit, obviously making it all ten times worse. I’m sure it’s more complicated than that, but let’s face it, they have done precious little to enhance and improve bus travel over the last 5 or so years. We do still have a very extensive and intensive bus service in most areas. I do see that coming to an end, with evening and Sunday services cut , and some route withdrawals. I think cross boundary routes are particularly vulnerable given dual funding. I can’t see any LAs agreeing to pay more to keep routes like the 465 afloat. It’s hard to be optimistic really. I don’t know enough about how the dft would run things, but based on how they’ve thus far run SEastern Rail, your suggestion above probably isn’t a bad shout.
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Post by greenboy on Dec 18, 2021 8:24:43 GMT
With Lockdown 4, that's very likely. There's talk of another conference today as a rattled Boris ups the ante on the virus. I was working near Regent Street (Soho) yesterday and the place is deserted. Only people walking around were Westminster City wardens in their hi viz, but very few people for them to assist (not their dark clothed traffic colleagues BTW). A further drop in numbers in all modes will kill off TfL's hopes of managing itself. Usually when the body is ill, the core is kept going to fight infection, but with TfL, it's the reverse with buses more busy on the outskirts Not many will bother with next week, and with schools broken up, and those with money already off on winter breaks abroad, I can see another bleak winter ahead. Expect bus capacity slashed again as we go backwards. People paying for ULEZ won't want to pay extra council tax to keep TfL alive. It's time to turn the machine off. Let DfT run it, they seem to manage with the train franchises which collapsed. I blame TfL. Their strategy for a while has been deliberately anti bus, anti road traffic, pro cycling, pro walking. They’ve made decisions that directly turned people away from spending money using their services. Then covid hit, obviously making it all ten times worse. I’m sure it’s more complicated than that, but let’s face it, they have done precious little to enhance and improve bus travel over the last 5 or so years. We do still have a very extensive and intensive bus service in most areas. I do see that coming to an end, with evening and Sunday services cut , and some route withdrawals. I think cross boundary routes are particularly vulnerable given dual funding. I can’t see any LAs agreeing to pay more to keep routes like the 465 afloat. It’s hard to be optimistic really. I don’t know enough about how the dft would run things, but based on how they’ve thus far run SEastern Rail, your suggestion above probably isn’t a bad shout. I agree about DfT taking over bus provision. Whilst there's nothing wrong with TfL encouraging walking and cycling, many other capital cities around the world are doing the same, surely there is a clear conflict of interest in a bus service provider doing that?
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