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Post by londonbuschannel on May 21, 2022 7:09:04 GMT
Maybe, if Khan doesn't dig at them at every opportunity The financial operations of one of the largest urban transportation companies shouldn’t be put at risk by the government feeling the mayor is “unfriendly.” It’s not as if his criticisms are unjustified anyway.
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Post by ronnie on May 21, 2022 8:12:41 GMT
Maybe, if Khan doesn't dig at them at every opportunity The financial operations of one of the largest urban transportation companies shouldn’t be put at risk by the government feeling the mayor is “unfriendly.” It’s not as if his criticisms are unjustified anyway. Well to some extent Sadiq khan is also to blame. The fare freeze was his glorious (communistic) idea, nothing comes for free frankly. Now no one could have predicted covid but that definitely created a hole
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Post by SILENCED on May 21, 2022 8:18:07 GMT
The financial operations of one of the largest urban transportation companies shouldn’t be put at risk by the government feeling the mayor is “unfriendly.” It’s not as if his criticisms are unjustified anyway. Well to some extent Sadiq khan is also to blame. The fare freeze was his glorious (communistic) idea, nothing comes for free frankly. Now no one could have predicted covid but that definitely created a hole Agree, but COVID is now largely history, being nothing more than another strand of 'flu' now. We have to get to a new sustainable norm ... that is not dependent on government bail outs. Sooner TfL and the Mayor accept and plan for this, the better. It is up to the Mayor and TfL to come up with a substanable operating model for the future. Deniability can not continue. Face the problem, do not look to pass on the issue.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 21, 2022 8:44:04 GMT
Well to some extent Sadiq khan is also to blame. The fare freeze was his glorious (communistic) idea, nothing comes for free frankly. Now no one could have predicted covid but that definitely created a hole Agree, but COVID is now largely history, being nothing more than another strand of 'flu' now. We have to get to a new sustainable norm ... that is not dependent on government bail outs. Sooner TfL and the Mayor accept and plan for this, the better. It is up to the Mayor and TfL to come up with a substanable operating model for the future. Deniability can not continue. Face the problem, do not look to pass on the issue. This however doesn't happen overnight.
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Post by SILENCED on May 21, 2022 8:49:26 GMT
Agree, but COVID is now largely history, being nothing more than another strand of 'flu' now. We have to get to a new sustainable norm ... that is not dependent on government bail outs. Sooner TfL and the Mayor accept and plan for this, the better. It is up to the Mayor and TfL to come up with a substanable operating model for the future. Deniability can not continue. Face the problem, do not look to pass on the issue. This however doesn't happen overnight. It is no longer overnight. How many bailouts have there already been.What is their plan? Do they have one? If this was first or second bailout, I could accept the overnight argument. We are at sixth? bailout now, and has any realistic sustainable operating model been suggested by TfL or The Mayor? They are just in denial it is their problem to solve. Being a politician is not just about being happy to make the 'popular' choices, but being able to take the hard ones as well.
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Post by enviroPB on May 21, 2022 9:03:52 GMT
The financial operations of one of the largest urban transportation companies shouldn’t be put at risk by the government feeling the mayor is “unfriendly.” It’s not as if his criticisms are unjustified anyway. Well to some extent Sadiq khan is also to blame. The fare freeze was his glorious (communistic) idea, nothing comes for free frankly. Now no one could have predicted covid but that definitely created a hole It's true that Sadiq's measures saw £150 million off TfL's finances per year. But let's not forget Boris the babbling crybaby convincing government in 2016 that TfL doesn't need its annual £270 million grant. Why? Because it was apparent Zac Goldsmith wouldn't clinch the Tory mayoral win. The goose is just as bad as the gander.
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Post by SILENCED on May 21, 2022 9:14:58 GMT
Well to some extent Sadiq khan is also to blame. The fare freeze was his glorious (communistic) idea, nothing comes for free frankly. Now no one could have predicted covid but that definitely created a hole It's true that Sadiq's measures saw £150 million off TfL's finances per year. But let's not forget Boris the babbling crybaby convincing government in 2016 that TfL doesn't need its annual £270 million grant. Why? Because it was apparent Zac Goldsmith wouldn't clinch the Tory mayoral win. The goose is just as bad as the gander. The grant gets mentioned a lot on here. One thing that is overlooked is than in return for withdrawing the grant,London got to keep a higher percentage of their business rates, so is not as bigger hit as many quote. The problem is now the responsibility of one of them. That one should be looking for solutions and not deflecting the blame to a third party. Bring me the solutions, not problems is a line I have heard more than once if my life ... it is his role now, so bring me the solutions Sadiq. It not as though anyone made him take this role.
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Post by enviroPB on May 21, 2022 9:42:18 GMT
It's true that Sadiq's measures saw £150 million off TfL's finances per year. But let's not forget Boris the babbling crybaby convincing government in 2016 that TfL doesn't need its annual £270 million grant. Why? Because it was apparent Zac Goldsmith wouldn't clinch the Tory mayoral win. The goose is just as bad as the gander. The grant gets mentioned a lot on here. One thing that is overlooked is than in return for withdrawing the grant,London got to keep a higher percentage of their business rates, so is not as bigger hit as many quote. The problem is now the responsibility of one of them. That one should be looking for solutions and not deflecting the blame to a third party. Bring me the solutions, not problems is a line I have heard more than once if my life ... it is his role now, so bring me the solutions Sadiq. It not as though anyone made him take this role. Business rates fluctuate, grants are static in monetary value. I'm sure Sadiq isn't pleased with handouts trickling to TfL every few months, it rather messes up planning on a going concern basis. The fact is TfL losing between 70-90% of its revenue for the best part of 2 years mean cash reserves won't take the full brunt of this situation. Instead we have a Labour Mayor begging a Tory PM (the same person who severed the TfL grant btw) for a loan so TfL can operate post pandemic. You'd think the former Mayor turned Prime Minister would be more sympathetic to the tribulations, but alas not. 🤷♂️
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Post by SILENCED on May 21, 2022 9:50:20 GMT
The grant gets mentioned a lot on here. One thing that is overlooked is than in return for withdrawing the grant,London got to keep a higher percentage of their business rates, so is not as bigger hit as many quote. The problem is now the responsibility of one of them. That one should be looking for solutions and not deflecting the blame to a third party. Bring me the solutions, not problems is a line I have heard more than once if my life ... it is his role now, so bring me the solutions Sadiq. It not as though anyone made him take this role. Business rates fluctuate, grants are static in monetary value. I'm sure Sadiq isn't pleased with handouts trickling to TfL every few months, it rather messes up planning on a going concern basis. The fact is TfL losing between 70-90% of its revenue for the best part of 2 years mean cash reserves won't take the full brunt of this situation. Instead we have a Labour Mayor begging a Tory PM (the same person who severed the TfL grant btw) for a loan so TfL can operate post pandemic. You'd think the former Mayor turned Prime Minister would be more sympathetic to the tribulations, but alas not. 🤷♂️ I expect Sadiq is not happy about it ... so what is he doing to stop this cycle. Nothing ... that is the problem.
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Post by vjaska on May 21, 2022 9:57:38 GMT
It's true that Sadiq's measures saw £150 million off TfL's finances per year. But let's not forget Boris the babbling crybaby convincing government in 2016 that TfL doesn't need its annual £270 million grant. Why? Because it was apparent Zac Goldsmith wouldn't clinch the Tory mayoral win. The goose is just as bad as the gander. The grant gets mentioned a lot on here. One thing that is overlooked is than in return for withdrawing the grant,London got to keep a higher percentage of their business rates, so is not as bigger hit as many quote. The problem is now the responsibility of one of them. That one should be looking for solutions and not deflecting the blame to a third party. Bring me the solutions, not problems is a line I have heard more than once if my life ... it is his role now, so bring me the solutions Sadiq. It not as though anyone made him take this role. You talk about overlooking things but then conveniently overlook that part of the Tories plan is to level up the country by levelling down London which this is another aspect of. The irony is London funds what crumbs elsewhere gets so if you carry digging at London, it only hurts the country as whole even more. Khan isn’t no angel which everyone is aware of but the government, run by the former mayor, is the bigger evil
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Post by enviroPB on May 21, 2022 10:34:40 GMT
Business rates fluctuate, grants are static in monetary value. I'm sure Sadiq isn't pleased with handouts trickling to TfL every few months, it rather messes up planning on a going concern basis. The fact is TfL losing between 70-90% of its revenue for the best part of 2 years mean cash reserves won't take the full brunt of this situation. Instead we have a Labour Mayor begging a Tory PM (the same person who severed the TfL grant btw) for a loan so TfL can operate post pandemic. You'd think the former Mayor turned Prime Minister would be more sympathetic to the tribulations, but alas not. 🤷♂️ I expect Sadiq is not happy about it ... so what is he doing to stop this cycle. Nothing ... that is the problem. How is it Sadiq's problem that this Tory government won't cooperate with him? Whitehall helped bail out the ferry industry without drip feeding them money. All of this child's play by central government is through no fault of Sadiq Khan, but well done to the tabloids & right wing media if you think otherwise. 🙄
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Post by SILENCED on May 21, 2022 10:40:14 GMT
The grant gets mentioned a lot on here. One thing that is overlooked is than in return for withdrawing the grant,London got to keep a higher percentage of their business rates, so is not as bigger hit as many quote. The problem is now the responsibility of one of them. That one should be looking for solutions and not deflecting the blame to a third party. Bring me the solutions, not problems is a line I have heard more than once if my life ... it is his role now, so bring me the solutions Sadiq. It not as though anyone made him take this role. You talk about overlooking things but then conveniently overlook that part of the Tories plan is to level up the country by levelling down London which this is another aspect of. The irony is London funds what crumbs elsewhere gets so if you carry digging at London, it only hurts the country as whole even more. Khan isn’t no angel which everyone is aware of but the government, run by the former mayor, is the bigger evil No great fan of the government either, but who is responsible for running TfL. The Mayor of London. No-one forced Sadiq Khan to become mayor. Is it too out of order to expect the mayor of London to have some coherent sustainable policy for the city's public transport? If you think that is not a fair expectation, what do you see his role being from a transport in London perspective?
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Post by SILENCED on May 21, 2022 10:48:01 GMT
I expect Sadiq is not happy about it ... so what is he doing to stop this cycle. Nothing ... that is the problem. How is it Sadiq's problem that this Tory government won't cooperate with him? Whitehall helped bail out the ferry industry without drip feeding them money. All of this child's play by central government is through no fault of Sadiq Khan, but well done to the tabloids & right wing media if you think otherwise. 🙄 It is his problem. Now is the new norm. He needs a policy to get TfL back on a solid foothold. Can you vaguely outline what his policy is, other than blaming central government? How much did the ferry industry get compared to TfL ... the sums TfL are receiving are astronomical. If there was a published plan that showed a way for TfL to get itself back onto a firm financial footing, then I would say yes it is child's play by central government. But there is not, so handing over £bn's of pounds when there is no long term strategic financial plan is child's play that should not be indulged in. Who has the ultimate responsibility for TfL. The Mayor. So it is his responsibility. Whoever maybe be at fault, if there is anyone, it does not make a difference ... the resolution is Sadiqs responsibility, and he is failing badly in the case.
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Post by enviroPB on May 21, 2022 11:06:03 GMT
How is it Sadiq's problem that this Tory government won't cooperate with him? Whitehall helped bail out the ferry industry without drip feeding them money. All of this child's play by central government is through no fault of Sadiq Khan, but well done to the tabloids & right wing media if you think otherwise. 🙄 It is his problem. Now is the new norm. He needs a policy to get TfL back on a solid foothold. Can you vaguely outline what his policy is, other than blaming central government? How much did the ferry industry get compared to TfL ... the sums TfL are receiving are astronomical. If there was a published plan that showed a way for TfL to get itself back onto a firm financial footing, then I would say yes it is child's play by central government. But there is not, so handing over £bn's of pounds when there is no long term strategic financial plan is child's play that should not be indulged in. Who has the ultimate responsibility for TfL. The Mayor. So it is his responsibility. Whoever maybe be at fault, if there is anyone, it does not make a difference ... the resolution is Sadiqs responsibility, and he is failing badly in the case. And here's me thinking managed decline of the transport services in London were for laughs & giggles. Ultimately The Mayor is responsible for TfL. In day to day life, Andy Byford is at the helm. His leadership has seen more stability and results like Crossrail opening without endless revision to the dates. TfL were projected to be in a 'managed decline' for 2020-22 in previous annual reports. What I'm concerned by is your belief that businesses of all types had to plan for a once in a century pandemic that no one saw coming; but yet still you feel to stick it to the Mayor that he is responsible for Covid & its financial aftermath. More properties under TfL's portfolio will be sold off to generate liquidity in the business. Pensions have been discussed but I don't see major revamps to the scheme to save money. Crossrail opening will generate more cash and the slow return of the Night Tube will help churn in some money as well. To set up a review as to how to deal with current financial issues could cost millions in itself. Businesses have to plan for the future at every opportunity. I'm sure TfL's going concern will be something the Mayor has sleepless nights over.
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Post by snowman on Jun 15, 2022 5:02:21 GMT
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