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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 14, 2024 20:23:15 GMT
Why do the councils pay money to the Rail Delivery Group. Is rail travel something that is a legal obligation under the Freedom pass. Thought that was a TfL added extra? That's what I thought. I thought the local council was charged £300 for each one issued and nothing for the 60+. |
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Post by mark on Nov 15, 2024 16:01:29 GMT
Why do the councils pay money to the Rail Delivery Group. Is rail travel something that is a legal obligation under the Freedom pass. Thought that was a TfL added extra? That's what I thought. I thought the local council was charged £300 for each one issued and nothing for the 60+. Local councils picking up the tab for non-statutory elements of concessionary travel does seem odd given the financial pressures they are under. This year the payment to the RDG will be around £18m. Perhaps the time has come to review this… TfL meets the costs of the 60+ Oyster card. |
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Post by mark on Nov 15, 2024 16:18:07 GMT
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 15, 2024 17:14:42 GMT
There's another article in the Standard saying the freebies should come to an end now. It says 60+ costs around £125m in lost revenue. Axing the 45 and 414 will probably save around £10m so its not difficult to see how things could be different if a bold step was taken. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 15, 2024 17:19:34 GMT
There's another article in the Standard saying the freebies should come to an end now. It says 60+ costs around £125m in lost revenue. Axing the 45 and 414 will probably save around £10m so its not difficult to see how things could be different if a bold step was taken. Routes shouldn't be axed for anything like this. Without routes, there isn't a point to such a card in the first place |
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 15, 2024 17:29:37 GMT
There's another article in the Standard saying the freebies should come to an end now. It says 60+ costs around £125m in lost revenue. Axing the 45 and 414 will probably save around £10m so its not difficult to see how things could be different if a bold step was taken. Routes shouldn't be axed for anything like this. Without routes, there isn't a point to such a card in the first place That's not what I'm saying at all!! I'm saying if TFL weren't giving so much for free there wouldn't be the need to keep looking around for savings. |
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 15, 2024 17:34:31 GMT
Routes shouldn't be axed for anything like this. Without routes, there isn't a point to such a card in the first place That's not what I'm saying at all!! I'm saying if TFL weren't giving so much for free there wouldn't be the need to keep looking around for savings. There are wider economic and social benefits that derive from the free travel. Indeed there is an argument for making local public transport free for all, and there are towns and cities in France and further afield that have done just that (as well as Luxembourg). You want a bold step - I've just given you one. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 15, 2024 17:43:07 GMT
That's not what I'm saying at all!! I'm saying if TFL weren't giving so much for free there wouldn't be the need to keep looking around for savings. There are wider economic and social benefits that derive from the free travel. Indeed there is an argument for making local public transport free for all, and there are towns and cities in France and further afield that have done just that (as well as Luxembourg). You want a bold step - I've just given you one. Lovely bold step but in reality it's never really been the thinking of UK governments. I know suggesting removing the national freedom pass which TFL do receive money for but I'm afraid loosing £125m from the 60+ isn't really right anymore when many at that age are in work. |
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Post by mark on Nov 15, 2024 17:46:22 GMT
That's not what I'm saying at all!! I'm saying if TFL weren't giving so much for free there wouldn't be the need to keep looking around for savings. There are wider economic and social benefits that derive from the free travel. Indeed there is an argument for making local public transport free for all, and there are towns and cities in France and further afield that have done just that (as well as Luxembourg). You want a bold step - I've just given you one. The 2020 review into TfL’s finances - content.tfl.gov.uk/tfl-independent-panel-review-december-2020.pdf - concluded that there were worthwhile benefits derived from free travel for the young but not for the 60+ Oyster cohort. The economic case for offering any service for free at the point of use is debatable as it tends to mean that users do not attribute any value to it. |
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Post by WH241 on Nov 15, 2024 20:24:40 GMT
There are wider economic and social benefits that derive from the free travel. Indeed there is an argument for making local public transport free for all, and there are towns and cities in France and further afield that have done just that (as well as Luxembourg). You want a bold step - I've just given you one. Lovely bold step but in reality it's never really been the thinking of UK governments. I know suggesting removing the national freedom pass which TFL do receive money for but I'm afraid loosing £125m from the 60+ isn't really right anymore when many at that age are in work. Exactly this! All this free travel is a joke IMO, I have said plenty in the past about child free travel so won't go there again.
Seeing some rather dramatic responses about 1 or 2 routes being axed which make me shake my head. People can't have everything and sometimes things have to give.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 15, 2024 21:20:01 GMT
Lovely bold step but in reality it's never really been the thinking of UK governments. I know suggesting removing the national freedom pass which TFL do receive money for but I'm afraid loosing £125m from the 60+ isn't really right anymore when many at that age are in work. Exactly this! All this free travel is a joke IMO, I have said plenty in the past about child free travel so won't go there again.
Seeing some rather dramatic responses about 1 or 2 routes being axed which make me shake my head. People can't have everything and sometimes things have to give.
I don't know why you're banging on about free child travel when the report linked above shows obvious benefits from its existence, the report is independent and considers TfL financial state which was very poor at the time of writing of the report too. However if you look at free travel for older people the report mentions something quite different It's clear what needs to go in terms of 'freebies' first before child and youth travel are touched. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 15, 2024 21:28:26 GMT
Exactly this! All this free travel is a joke IMO, I have said plenty in the past about child free travel so won't go there again.
Seeing some rather dramatic responses about 1 or 2 routes being axed which make me shake my head. People can't have everything and sometimes things have to give.
I don't know why you're banging on about travel when the report linked above shows obvious benefits from its existence, the report is independent and considers TfL financial state which was very poor at the time of writing of the report too. However if you look at free travel for older people the report mentions something quite different It's clear what needs to go in terms of 'freebies' first before child and youth travel are touched. Definitely. Under 18s zip is a massive help to families and encourages days out to aid learning and development. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 15, 2024 23:13:15 GMT
Routes shouldn't be axed for anything like this. Without routes, there isn't a point to such a card in the first place That's not what I'm saying at all!! I'm saying if TFL weren't giving so much for free there wouldn't be the need to keep looking around for savings. Where in my post does it say you said that? It doesn't so for the last time, stop getting riled up every time. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 15, 2024 23:43:10 GMT
That's not what I'm saying at all!! I'm saying if TFL weren't giving so much for free there wouldn't be the need to keep looking around for savings. Where in my post does it say you said that? It doesn't so for the last time, stop getting riled up every time. The fact would mentioned that routes shouldn't be withdrawn was kind of waht I was saying in my original post and that's its s generous concession is what needs reviewing. Crossed wires |
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