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Post by 10121ddo on May 6, 2020 15:25:13 GMT
I'm one of the few people on here who do like the LT's, I do really like the sound of the motor of a LT and the door closing sound especially when the middle & rear doors both close at the same time
Same here. I actually dislike the E400s a whole lot more, at least with the WHs and the LTs they have an interesting noise, whereas the E400s (the diesel variant, I actually like the hybrid E400s) that seem to plague East London just sound incredibly dull for me, also I’m still bitter how the 169 and 179 got stuck with them rather than gaining new MMCs which contributes to my dislike towards them. The E200s, both Euro IV and V and the diesel StreetDecks I don’t like either, all sound incredibly dull as well. I'll be shocked if you still have that opinion once you have a proper ride on 19763 doing the 145/169. Last I caught it, I thought I was on turbo charged drag racing Ford Fiesta.....
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Post by 15002 on May 6, 2020 15:30:45 GMT
Same here. I actually dislike the E400s a whole lot more, at least with the WHs and the LTs they have an interesting noise, whereas the E400s (the diesel variant, I actually like the hybrid E400s) that seem to plague East London just sound incredibly dull for me, also I’m still bitter how the 169 and 179 got stuck with them rather than gaining new MMCs which contributes to my dislike towards them. The E200s, both Euro IV and V and the diesel StreetDecks I don’t like either, all sound incredibly dull as well. I'll be shocked if you still have that opinion once you have a proper ride on 19763 doing the 145/169. Last I caught it, I thought I was on turbo charged drag racing Ford Fiesta..... I mean I’ve been on some fast ones, heck I’ve been on the 287 numerous of times on the A13 whereby it was speeding like a rocket with the E400s. Not really what I look in for a bus though. I like buses that sound interesting. Like the Scania’s that Rainham have for example are not only really fast buses but they make an interesting engine noise which is why they’re buses I really like. The E400’s just doesn’t sound interesting for me personally, just sounds generic and it doesn’t help there’s a bunch of them in East London. I’m probably in a small minority though since most people seem to not mind them or like them
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Post by vjaska on May 6, 2020 16:19:01 GMT
I'll be shocked if you still have that opinion once you have a proper ride on 19763 doing the 145/169. Last I caught it, I thought I was on turbo charged drag racing Ford Fiesta..... I mean I’ve been on some fast ones, heck I’ve been on the 287 numerous of times on the A13 whereby it was speeding like a rocket with the E400s. Not really what I look in for a bus though. I like buses that sound interesting. Like the Scania’s that Rainham have for example are not only really fast buses but they make an interesting engine noise which is why they’re buses I really like. The E400’s just doesn’t sound interesting for me personally, just sounds generic and it doesn’t help there’s a bunch of them in East London. I’m probably in a small minority though since most people seem to not mind them or like them Probably because the majority of them are Euro V Voith examples which are quite dull - Euro V ZF examples though like DX's ones are nice sounding examples personally.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 6, 2020 17:26:15 GMT
I mean I’ve been on some fast ones, heck I’ve been on the 287 numerous of times on the A13 whereby it was speeding like a rocket with the E400s. Not really what I look in for a bus though. I like buses that sound interesting. Like the Scania’s that Rainham have for example are not only really fast buses but they make an interesting engine noise which is why they’re buses I really like. The E400’s just doesn’t sound interesting for me personally, just sounds generic and it doesn’t help there’s a bunch of them in East London. I’m probably in a small minority though since most people seem to not mind them or like them Probably because the majority of them are Euro V Voith examples which are quite dull - Euro V ZF examples though like DX's ones are nice sounding examples personally. I wouldn't specifically say DX's examples are nice sounding, however they're far from dull The 147s and 104s buses are probably a better example of decently kept ZF Enviro400s in the area. I think the extra gears in the ZF buses help and they certainly seem to be better at reaching decent speeds.
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Post by vjaska on May 6, 2020 19:11:20 GMT
Probably because the majority of them are Euro V Voith examples which are quite dull - Euro V ZF examples though like DX's ones are nice sounding examples personally. I wouldn't specifically say DX's examples are nice sounding, however they're far from dull The 147s and 104s buses are probably a better example of decently kept ZF Enviro400s in the area. I think the extra gears in the ZF buses help and they certainly seem to be better at reaching decent speeds. Oh I mean't in the sense they are ZF rather than condition
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Post by redbus on May 6, 2020 19:43:45 GMT
The SRM interior layout is different to the LT. The complete lack of a rear window on the lower deck of the SRM is one of the worst features.
Personally I can think of many worse buses than the LT. I agree about the heat and lack of ventilation, but I see no reason why a fully electric SRM could not have this problem resolved with a better design. The opportunity is there.
Without the Volvo hybrid chassis perhaps there could even be a sensibly sized rear window on the lower deck.
An electric version of the SRM gives the opportunity to deliver a great bus with the LT issues resolved.
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Post by COBO on May 6, 2020 19:51:33 GMT
I wonder if the SRM could be built with an intergal body like the StreetDeck? Or could a smaller version of New Routemaster could be built?
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Post by LK65EBO on May 6, 2020 19:52:22 GMT
I wonder if the SRM could be built with an intergal body like the StreetDeck? Or could a smaller version of New Routemaster could be built? The NRM has been built as a 10.6m (ST1812 at Metroline).
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Post by snowman on May 6, 2020 20:24:07 GMT
I wonder if the SRM could be built with an intergal body like the StreetDeck? Or could a smaller version of New Routemaster could be built? The Streetdeck uses the same chassis that was developed (with public grant money) as the new routemaster (it’s only different behind the rear axle) By definition any vehicle with a separate chassis is not an integral (which means the whole lot shares the structural load). I suspect what you mean is can the SRM type body fit on the Streetdeck chassis. One assumes so if chassis from front to rear axle is same as new routemaster. Regarding length, probably easy to vary it (but it’s doubtful if having a second staircase is more useful than loosing the space it takes up). My own feeling is the second staircase (without a third door for exit) is wasted unless bus has capacity over 100, (say 12+m long)
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Post by 10121ddo on May 6, 2020 22:00:26 GMT
I'll be shocked if you still have that opinion once you have a proper ride on 19763 doing the 145/169. Last I caught it, I thought I was on turbo charged drag racing Ford Fiesta..... I mean I’ve been on some fast ones, heck I’ve been on the 287 numerous of times on the A13 whereby it was speeding like a rocket with the E400s. Not really what I look in for a bus though. I like buses that sound interesting. Like the Scania’s that Rainham have for example are not only really fast buses but they make an interesting engine noise which is why they’re buses I really like. The E400’s just doesn’t sound interesting for me personally, just sounds generic and it doesn’t help there’s a bunch of them in East London. I’m probably in a small minority though since most people seem to not mind them or like them Oh I get that completely. I meant more that 763's exhaust sounds like it's been modified for something out of Fast & Furious!! Apart from 121 and 123 on a very bad day, I can't think of another Voith E400 in London which sounds as poorly as 763! You're almost certainly not in the minority when it comes to Stagecoach's E400s, because of the relative normality of Voith E400s. Here in the West Country, you can't tell the difference between some of First's old ZFs (WA56 batch for example) and 14-plate ones which sound like they're on the verge of combustion at just 6 years old (talking about 33837 there...). Closer to home in London, any of PB's TE9**s on the 107 or W8 are the best bets for some excellent ZFs. I reckon spotting the weird sounding Stagecoach E400s is an art. But I know my chances are higher than anything else if I make it for a 197** series E400 from that batch out of BK. Most of the others are pretty bland by comparison to the ZFs. (Apologies all for the deviation from Wrightbus, lockdown is certainly getting the better of some of us...)
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Post by ohdear on May 6, 2020 22:45:28 GMT
What seems to have been forgotten is what the NRM was supposed to be. Passengers were missing the hop on hop off feature of the open back buses and Boris said in his manifesto that he would bring them back. Anyone with the slightest knowledge knew this could not be done in the way people were made to think ie old RM type. So it started with no interest being shown to any bus builder other than Wrights some claiming this was a political decision to support the NI governing party.. The resulting vehicle is subject to opinion but what is upfront is the increased cost of purchasing the buses and the high cost of operation. No other operator has purchased the NRM but the so called son of NRM the Enviro 400 City has sold in and out of London. How the bus works in service is down to individual opinion but it was just another very costly vanity project.
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Post by 725DYE on May 6, 2020 23:20:08 GMT
By far the worst iteration of the NRM (from personal experience) is the two VHPs on the 37. They are subject to some of the same problems as the other SRMs including the lack of a rear window and strange layout owing to the B5LH chassis which plagues all bodies buses actually (one half of the back being higher making the rear seats unaligned). But the big problem is the massive battery pack over the front left wheel arch which practically touches the ceiling. The SRM alone has a very cramped environment but the lack of passenger visibility in the VHPs makes it considerably worse. Not to mention that the battery pack makes the VHPs notably heavier than their standard counterparts. The 37 encounters some horrible speed bumps but the VHPs have to properly slow down to go over them and you can really feel the weight over the front portion of the vehicle. On more of a general note, I've always found the NRMs to smell a little strange inside. Maybe it's just me on that front
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Post by YY13VKP on May 7, 2020 8:10:36 GMT
By far the worst iteration of the NRM (from personal experience) is the two VHPs on the 37. They are subject to some of the same problems as the other SRMs including the lack of a rear window and strange layout owing to the B5LH chassis which plagues all bodies buses actually (one half of the back being higher making the rear seats unaligned). But the big problem is the massive battery pack over the front left wheel arch which practically touches the ceiling. The SRM alone has a very cramped environment but the lack of passenger visibility in the VHPs makes it considerably worse. Not to mention that the battery pack makes the VHPs notably heavier than their standard counterparts. The 37 encounters some horrible speed bumps but the VHPs have to properly slow down to go over them and you can really feel the weight over the front portion of the vehicle. On more of a general note, I've always found the NRMs to smell a little strange inside. Maybe it's just me on that front I’ve noticed that too and they’ve always had that smell since new. Not sure what it is
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Post by rif153 on May 7, 2020 8:37:37 GMT
By far the worst iteration of the NRM (from personal experience) is the two VHPs on the 37. They are subject to some of the same problems as the other SRMs including the lack of a rear window and strange layout owing to the B5LH chassis which plagues all bodies buses actually (one half of the back being higher making the rear seats unaligned). But the big problem is the massive battery pack over the front left wheel arch which practically touches the ceiling. The SRM alone has a very cramped environment but the lack of passenger visibility in the VHPs makes it considerably worse. Not to mention that the battery pack makes the VHPs notably heavier than their standard counterparts. The 37 encounters some horrible speed bumps but the VHPs have to properly slow down to go over them and you can really feel the weight over the front portion of the vehicle. On more of a general note, I've always found the NRMs to smell a little strange inside. Maybe it's just me on that front I don't have much experience of the using the VHPs but on previous experiences I've found that the battery pack is ugly and obtrusive as well as blocking natural light making the passenger experience less enjoyable.
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Post by george on May 7, 2020 9:34:13 GMT
By far the worst iteration of the NRM (from personal experience) is the two VHPs on the 37. They are subject to some of the same problems as the other SRMs including the lack of a rear window and strange layout owing to the B5LH chassis which plagues all bodies buses actually (one half of the back being higher making the rear seats unaligned). But the big problem is the massive battery pack over the front left wheel arch which practically touches the ceiling. The SRM alone has a very cramped environment but the lack of passenger visibility in the VHPs makes it considerably worse. Not to mention that the battery pack makes the VHPs notably heavier than their standard counterparts. The 37 encounters some horrible speed bumps but the VHPs have to properly slow down to go over them and you can really feel the weight over the front portion of the vehicle. On more of a general note, I've always found the NRMs to smell a little strange inside. Maybe it's just me on that front I don't have much experience of the using the VHPs but on previous experiences I've found that the battery pack is ugly and obtrusive as well as blocking natural light making the passenger experience less enjoyable. Exactly this.
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