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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 9:13:36 GMT
Pure fantasy this one, not going to happen, but are there any non tfl routes operating just outside tfl territory or crossing the border that you'd like tfl to takeover? Thinking of places like Waltham Cross, Loughton, Watford, places which have a mixture of tfl and non tfl. Routes that would be useful to be "plugged" in to the London system.
I'd go for the 66 , Loughton to Waltham Cross, also 418 Loughton to Epping via Theydon Bois.
On a related issue, does anyone know what is going on with the 542 in Loughton. The number tiles are still prevalent on the stops, the timetables still there, but I thought the 87 replaced it. Seen 87 trundling around Loughton but no 542, but also no 87 tiles or timetables. Are they both running?
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Post by ian on May 8, 2020 9:28:44 GMT
In a dream/fantasy world, a Tfl bus to Cheshunt would be useful for various reasons e.g. 310, especially if from Enfield as well Waltham X. A regular frequency 242 from Potters Bar to Cheshunt would be another one or a good alternative. The 84 would be handy too, as would making the 614 have Tfl fares/Oyster validity.
(I suppose if history had turned out differently none of these are THAT fantastical though obviously unrealistic now).
Do any of these accept tapped payments now? Finding cash is a major disincentive to use other buses when you are used to the TfL System.
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Post by YY13VKP on May 8, 2020 9:41:25 GMT
I’ve suggested before that TfL should take over route 409 albeit in it’s pre 2016 form (before it was extended to East Grinstead) since that ran pretty much within TfL territory at the time.
I also think TfL could take over Metrobus’s route 318 although this kind of duplicates the 166 running between Banstead and Epsom however this goes via Nork, Tadworth and Tattenham Corner. Seeing as Tattenham Corner station is in the Oyster zone, I’m surprised no TfL bus service serves there. Southdown’s route 411 could also be taken over as well as Falcon Buses’s route 408
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Post by M1104 on May 8, 2020 10:04:12 GMT
Pure fantasy this one, not going to happen, but are there any non tfl routes operating just outside tfl territory or crossing the border that you'd like tfl to takeover? Thinking of places like Waltham Cross, Loughton, Watford, places which have a mixture of tfl and non tfl. Routes that would be useful to be "plugged" in to the London system. Perhaps a subsidiary operation could then be formed as Transport for London and Country. |
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Post by londonboy71 on May 8, 2020 10:09:12 GMT
I’ve suggested before that TfL should take over route 409 albeit in it’s pre 2016 form (before it was extended to East Grinstead) since that ran pretty much within TfL territory at the time. I also think TfL could take over Metrobus’s route 318 although this kind of duplicates the 166 running between Banstead and Epsom however this goes via Nork, Tadworth and Tattenham Corner. Seeing as Tattenham Corner station is in the Oyster zone, I’m surprised no TfL bus service serves there. Southdown’s route 411 could also be taken over as well as Falcon Buses’s route 408 All these routes you mention used to be Londin Buses and London Country Buses before deregulation by Thatcher. 242 Chingford to Potters Bar/South Mimms 279 Smithfieid to Waltham X/Upshire 84 Arnos Grove to St Albans 20 Walthsmstow Central to Epping 250 Romford to Epping 175 Dagenham to Ongar 81B Hounslow to Windsor Etc etc |
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Post by Paul on May 8, 2020 10:20:30 GMT
On a purely selfish basis, I always fancied a crack at the 402 before it was withdrawn between Bromley and wherever it ended up withdrawn to! Fairly lengthy, lots of rural running, wonderful scenery - what’s not to like?
On a semi-serious note, I do wonder whether or not a TfL service to Sevenoaks would work. Obviously it’s nowhere near the agenda at the moment but I do think something resembling the old 402 could work
In a similar vein, if that theme park ever pops up in the Ebbsfleet area then I think it would be remiss of TfL not to provide a service there
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Post by ADH45258 on May 8, 2020 11:34:49 GMT
In a dream/fantasy world, a Tfl bus to Cheshunt would be useful for various reasons e.g. 310, especially if from Enfield as well Waltham X. A regular frequency 242 from Potters Bar to Cheshunt would be another one or a good alternative. The 84 would be handy too, as would making the 614 have Tfl fares/Oyster validity. (I suppose if history had turned out differently none of these are THAT fantastical though obviously unrealistic now). Do any of these accept tapped payments now? Finding cash is a major disincentive to use other buses when you are used to the TfL System. Various non-TFL routes in the Kingston area could also be transferred, and some routes around Heathrow/Staines. And also some routes around Watford - perhaps the 306 to Borehamwood, 8 to Mount Vernon, and maybe a service to Rickmansworth. |
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Post by vjaska on May 8, 2020 12:14:23 GMT
Personally, I think the 84, 614 & some of the Heathrow services like the 7 have decent cases to be TfL routes - it might even help the 84's London section a bit more in doing so. The 715 in Kingston may be another good shout.
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Post by greenboy on May 8, 2020 12:15:49 GMT
The 477 between Orpington and Dartford/Bluewater perhaps or at least Orpy to Swanley?
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Post by southlondonbus on May 8, 2020 12:23:42 GMT
Since the 233 runs to Swanley plus TFL routes to Dartford I expected back in the day for the 477 to be taken over. Same with a tfl route from Barnet to Potters Bar. It seemed there was a commercial case for those routes to continue and the private operators were happy to. With other ones like the 293/405/406/418 when the operators pulled out tfl stepped in.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 13:04:53 GMT
South East London/Kent border area
477
Transfered from Arriva Kent Thameside to Go Ahead London
Orpington Garage
Enviro 400 MMC
Mon to Fri every 20 min & Sun every 30 min
Orpington Station
Orpington, High Street
St Mary Cray, High Street
Crockenhill
Swanley Station
Swanley, Asda
Hextable
Wilmington
Dartford Station
Darent Valley Hospital
Bluewater, Shopping Centre
431
Replacing Go Coach route 3, transfered to Go Ahead London
Orpington Garage
Enviro 200 10.8m
Mon to Sun every 30 min
Orpington Station
Orpington, High Street
Chelsfield Village
Knockholt Station
Badgers Mount
Dunton Green
Riverhead
Sevenoaks Station
Sevenoaks, Town Centre
(Via A224)
402
Stagecoach London
Bromley Garage
Enviro 400 MMC
Mon to Sat every 20 min & Sun every 30 min
Bromley North Station
Bromley, Town Centre
Bromley South Station
Bromley Common
Princess Royal Hospital
Farnborough
Green Street Green
Pratts Bottom
Badgers Mount
Dunton Green
Riverhead
Sevenoaks Station
Sevenoaks, Town Centre
B12
Joyden's Wood circular loop cut, extended from Joyden's Wood to Swanley. Bexley Park continues to be served by Go Coach's routes 429.
Arriva London
Dartford Garage Enviro 200 10.8m
Mon to Sat every 20 min & Sun every 30 min
Erith, Town Centre
Northumberland Heath
Bexleyheath Station
Bexleyheath, Town Centre
Bexley Village
Joyden's Wood
Birchwood Corner
Swanley, Asda
Swanley Station
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Post by wirewiper on May 8, 2020 14:30:12 GMT
I think an hourly 402 operated by TfL between Bromley North and Sevenoaks would have worked, with a 622 schools variant serving the schools in the Sevenoaks area.
I also think the W14 and 362 could both be extended to Chigwell. I would also bring back part of the 505, running hourly between Chingford Station and Waltham Cross.
I would also bring back London Local Service Agreements and apply them to the following sections of non-TfL routes, rather than make these TfL routes throughout:
84 between New Barnet and Potters Bar, Cranbourne Road
614 between Queensbury Station and Barnet, St Albans Road
477 between Orpington Station and Crockenhill
420 between Sutton and Banstead
409 between Caterham Station and Selson and restore to Croydon - or perhaps split the route to run Croydon-Caterham Station as a full TfL route and Caterham-on-the-Hill - East Grinstead as a commercial route.
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Post by LondonNorthern on May 8, 2020 14:37:23 GMT
I think an hourly 402 operated by TfL between Bromley North and Sevenoaks would have worked, with a 622 schools variant serving the schools in the Sevenoaks area. I also think the W14 and 362 could both be extended to Chigwell. I would also bring back part of the 505, running hourly between Chingford Station and Waltham Cross. I would also bring back London Local Service Agreements and apply them to the following sections of non-TfL routes, rather than make these TfL routes throughout: 84 between New Barnet and Potters Bar, Cranbourne Road 614 between Queensbury Station and Barnet, St Albans Road 477 between Orpington Station and Crockenhill 420 between Sutton and Banstead 409 between Caterham Station and Selson and restore to Croydon - or perhaps split the route to run Croydon-Caterham Station as a full TfL route and Caterham-on-the-Hill - East Grinstead as a commercial route. Does the W14 really need to serve Chigwell? Where'd it stand? |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 14:54:23 GMT
In my dreams I'd like the W14 extended beyond Chigwell to Chigwell Village, Chigwell Lane to Debden Retail Park, (Epping Forest Shopping Park).
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Post by wirewiper on May 8, 2020 15:25:27 GMT
I think an hourly 402 operated by TfL between Bromley North and Sevenoaks would have worked, with a 622 schools variant serving the schools in the Sevenoaks area. I also think the W14 and 362 could both be extended to Chigwell. I would also bring back part of the 505, running hourly between Chingford Station and Waltham Cross. I would also bring back London Local Service Agreements and apply them to the following sections of non-TfL routes, rather than make these TfL routes throughout: 84 between New Barnet and Potters Bar, Cranbourne Road 614 between Queensbury Station and Barnet, St Albans Road 477 between Orpington Station and Crockenhill 420 between Sutton and Banstead 409 between Caterham Station and Selson and restore to Croydon - or perhaps split the route to run Croydon-Caterham Station as a full TfL route and Caterham-on-the-Hill - East Grinstead as a commercial route. Does the W14 really need to serve Chigwell? Where'd it stand? Don't forget this is a fantasy thread. It need not be the full service, perhaps every other journey. And there is a suggestion above for a further extension beyond Chigwell to Debden Retail Park that could be viable. |
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