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Post by capitalomnibus on May 15, 2020 15:51:31 GMT
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Post by SILENCED on May 15, 2020 15:56:31 GMT
In fairness, the end of the price freeze had been announced pre-Covid
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Post by southlondonbus on May 15, 2020 19:41:49 GMT
I'd expect tfl to award very little with new buses
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 15, 2020 19:43:03 GMT
I'd expect tfl go award very little with new buses There's quite a few outstanding single decker awards like the 184 and 391, I wonder if TfL are now asking for Diesel prices hence the delay.
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Post by southlondonbus on May 15, 2020 20:13:40 GMT
The 184 missed out on an extension so if retained it could carry on with the current buses for 2 more years.
The Kingston ones I can see TFL going back to RATP and asking for as many existing as possible (they may have not planned on keeping the 13reg VHs) but could reconsider.
We have to remember that both Stagecoach and RATP posted looses in London of between £6 and 9m before the virus. Imagine now with the amount of money they have had to spend on sick pay, pay for workers before they could be furlougued, extra bus cleaning, less money coming in from reduced services, I can absolutely see every available bus being used for the 65/71/183/281/418 to mutually keep down costs on both sides.
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Post by TB123 on May 15, 2020 20:15:28 GMT
I'd expect tfl to award very little with new buses There isn't much difference costs wise between new and existing buses (nor even with zero emissions) in tenders in the grand scheme of things so I don't expect any major changes to the amount of new buses for London or the propulsion types - unless wider network changes take place.
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Post by vjaska on May 15, 2020 20:17:49 GMT
I'd expect tfl to award very little with new buses There isn't much difference costs wise between new and existing buses in tenders in the grand scheme of things so I don't expect any major changes to the amount of new buses for London or the propulsion types - unless wider network changes take place. If that was the case, then why would operators bother bidding with existing vehicles in the first place.
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Post by TB123 on May 15, 2020 20:22:01 GMT
There isn't much difference costs wise between new and existing buses in tenders in the grand scheme of things so I don't expect any major changes to the amount of new buses for London or the propulsion types - unless wider network changes take place. If that was the case, then why would operators bother bidding with existing vehicles in the first place. It still can be a competitive advantage in some circumstances - if using owned vehicles for example then the depreciation costs can sometimes be markedly lower than the initial 5 year costed period - and therefore bids can be more competitive - but if it's on vehicles with say, operating leases, then new buses are often cheaper than existing ones, especially when you take into account the expected reduced maintenance costs. So overall, in the broader scheme of things there isn't a big difference. The fact is 55-60% of the cost running of bus services remains staffing costs so that's where the room for manoeuvre really is.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on May 16, 2020 5:54:00 GMT
At least the rises will be modest and understandable. It's not like when Fares Fair was declared unlawful, and we finished up with higher fares in 1982 than had fares not been reduced in the first place.
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Post by galwhv69 on May 19, 2020 15:19:40 GMT
Seems there may be a problem updating current Oyster fare system
(Also see other parts as replies)
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Post by wirewiper on Dec 18, 2020 15:13:09 GMT
Fares increase will now occur on 1st March 2021 (same day as National Rail) and will be an average of 2.6%.
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Post by danorak on Jan 17, 2021 13:15:07 GMT
Diamond Geezer has a good analysis of the fare changes on his blog today. Of note is that a one zone off-peak tube journey outside zone 1, at £1.50, is now cheaper than the equivalent bus journey at £1.55.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 20, 2021 13:57:52 GMT
Diamond Geezer has a good analysis of the fare changes on his blog today. Of note is that a one zone off-peak tube journey outside zone 1, at £1.50, is now cheaper than the equivalent bus journey at £1.55. That is nuts, imagine that you could then travel in places that mirrors bus routes and be cheaper. This could have a drastic impact on some bus routes that mirrors rail lines where people find this out.
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Post by greenboy on Jan 20, 2021 17:20:26 GMT
Diamond Geezer has a good analysis of the fare changes on his blog today. Of note is that a one zone off-peak tube journey outside zone 1, at £1.50, is now cheaper than the equivalent bus journey at £1.55. That is nuts, imagine that you could then travel in places that mirrors bus routes and be cheaper. This could have a drastic impact on some bus routes that mirrors rail lines where people find this out. It's a bit bizarre that train travel is now cheaper than bus travel albeit only by 5p. I doubt if it will make much difference, a lot of people realised long ago that they could do their journey much quicker on a train for the same price and it's noticeable that routes like the 197 and 345 that follow much the same route as LO services are much quieter than they used to be.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 20, 2021 17:38:09 GMT
That is nuts, imagine that you could then travel in places that mirrors bus routes and be cheaper. This could have a drastic impact on some bus routes that mirrors rail lines where people find this out. It's a bit bizarre that train travel is now cheaper than bus travel albeit only by 5p. I doubt if it will make much difference, a lot of people realised long ago that they could do their journey much quicker on a train for the same price and it's noticeable that routes like the 197 and 345 that follow much the same route as LO services are much quieter than they used to be. Whilst I can't speak for the 197, the 345 isn't much quieter - there are many local journeys made on the 345 that can't be done by the Overground. Before lockdown, it was still busy hence why it has a higher frequency until the 35 had to be boosted to make up for the 40 being diverted away from Borough & London Bridge.
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