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Post by capitalomnibus on May 21, 2020 9:35:41 GMT
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Post by rambo on May 21, 2020 21:18:43 GMT
And sadly, sod all will change.
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Post by snowman on May 22, 2020 4:17:02 GMT
I suspect any report will either never get published, or it will be heavily redacted.
My own suspicion is that the rear door boarding didn’t end it, because it missed the initial problem.
Although data is not available, from news stories does seem to have been much lower occurrence in other UK cities (and they have front door boarding, and in some areas no screens). Suggests to me the problem was not cautious passengers, but cleaning, sanitation, and hygiene between changeovers and mess rooms, and ferry vehicles, especially if it turns out that some local areas had multiple cases and others virtually unaffected.
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Post by SILENCED on May 22, 2020 9:22:20 GMT
I suspect any report will either never get published, or it will be heavily redacted. My own suspicion is that the rear door boarding didn’t end it, because it missed the initial problem. Although data is not available, from news stories does seem to have been much lower occurrence in other UK cities (and they have front door boarding, and in some areas no screens). Suggests to me the problem was not cautious passengers, but cleaning, sanitation, and hygiene between changeovers and mess rooms, and ferry vehicles, especially if it turns out that some local areas had multiple cases and others virtually unaffected. I think you probably are correct and front door boarding was a red herring. We had reports of drivers showing symptoms at work in the early days. Additionally saw a comment in one of the articles about TfL deaths, when one London Bus Driver tried to phone in as his partner he lived with showed symptoms, received very heavy HR treatment and was basically told to report for work if he had no symptoms. My opinion is any report will show bus operators HR policies and a minority of bus drivers created a driver to driver environment of spreading the virus. |
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Post by Paul on May 22, 2020 10:36:24 GMT
Suggests to me the problem was not cautious passengers, but cleaning, sanitation, and hygiene between changeovers and mess rooms, and ferry vehicles, especially if it turns out that some local areas had multiple cases and others virtually unaffected. This has been my opinion from the start. Even before they started sealing off the cabs, our interaction with the punters was, and is, incredibly brief. I don’t believe our problem was the passengers - it’s far more likely to be for the reasons you have stated |
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 22, 2020 11:26:48 GMT
I suspect any report will either never get published, or it will be heavily redacted. My own suspicion is that the rear door boarding didn’t end it, because it missed the initial problem. Although data is not available, from news stories does seem to have been much lower occurrence in other UK cities (and they have front door boarding, and in some areas no screens). Suggests to me the problem was not cautious passengers, but cleaning, sanitation, and hygiene between changeovers and mess rooms, and ferry vehicles, especially if it turns out that some local areas had multiple cases and others virtually unaffected. I would say the same thing it was a lot to do with cleaning. There could be isolated cases if a crowded bus and people standing near the cab area when it was not sealed. Now many are sealed that shouldn't be the same. Even after they started the enhanced anti viral measures in early March, this had nothing to do with cab cleaning and was merely a spraying out of the bus interior, mainly passenger saloon. It only took until the deaths of a few drivers and driver taking wipes cleaning the cabs of buses and putting it on social media showing how dirty it was on first thing in the morning which then got mass media attention. It then took a few more weeks for most companies to change cleaning processes which was then dictated by tfL. Ferry vehicles are not cleaned by contractors so that is also another avenue the virus could spread, many of them are filthy.
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Post by snowman on May 22, 2020 11:56:20 GMT
I suspect any report will either never get published, or it will be heavily redacted. My own suspicion is that the rear door boarding didn’t end it, because it missed the initial problem. Although data is not available, from news stories does seem to have been much lower occurrence in other UK cities (and they have front door boarding, and in some areas no screens). Suggests to me the problem was not cautious passengers, but cleaning, sanitation, and hygiene between changeovers and mess rooms, and ferry vehicles, especially if it turns out that some local areas had multiple cases and others virtually unaffected. I would say the same thing it was a lot to do with cleaning. There could be isolated cases if a crowded bus and people standing near the cab area when it was not sealed. Now many are sealed that shouldn't be the same. Even after they started the enhanced anti viral measures in early March, this had nothing to do with cab cleaning and was merely a spraying out of the bus interior, mainly passenger saloon. It only took until the deaths of a few drivers and driver taking wipes cleaning the cabs of buses and putting it on social media showing how dirty it was on first thing in the morning which then got mass media attention. It then took a few more weeks for most companies to change cleaning processes which was then dictated by tfL. Ferry vehicles are not cleaned by contractors so that is also another avenue the virus could spread, many of them are filthy.
I too think the chance of a germ being sneezed or breathed by a passenger, managing to either pass through the speaking holes or passing under the screen, then changing trajectory to manage to collide with a nose or mouth of a forward facing driver, just seems remote. Seems much more likely would have picked up elsewhere, or from someone previously in the cab. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 23, 2020 11:26:35 GMT
I would say the same thing it was a lot to do with cleaning. There could be isolated cases if a crowded bus and people standing near the cab area when it was not sealed. Now many are sealed that shouldn't be the same. Even after they started the enhanced anti viral measures in early March, this had nothing to do with cab cleaning and was merely a spraying out of the bus interior, mainly passenger saloon. It only took until the deaths of a few drivers and driver taking wipes cleaning the cabs of buses and putting it on social media showing how dirty it was on first thing in the morning which then got mass media attention. It then took a few more weeks for most companies to change cleaning processes which was then dictated by tfL. Ferry vehicles are not cleaned by contractors so that is also another avenue the virus could spread, many of them are filthy.
I too think the chance of a germ being sneezed or breathed by a passenger, managing to either pass through the speaking holes or passing under the screen, then changing trajectory to manage to collide with a nose or mouth of a forward facing driver, just seems remote. Seems much more likely would have picked up elsewhere, or from someone previously in the cab. Trouble is they were highly likely to get it with the high infection rates that were in London and many people always passing the driver on boarding or speaking to them. It is known to travel in the air within a near distance and was one of the reason they came out with social distancing. Walking throughout the bus also posed a risk to passengers and drivers if anyone on board had it or touching surfaces and being blown around with the HVAC system. |
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Post by vjaska on May 23, 2020 11:56:51 GMT
I too think the chance of a germ being sneezed or breathed by a passenger, managing to either pass through the speaking holes or passing under the screen, then changing trajectory to manage to collide with a nose or mouth of a forward facing driver, just seems remote. Seems much more likely would have picked up elsewhere, or from someone previously in the cab. Trouble is they were highly likely to get it with the high infection rates that were in London and many people always passing the driver on boarding or speaking to them. It is known to travel in the air within a near distance and was one of the reason they came out with social distancing. Walking throughout the bus also posed a risk to passengers and drivers if anyone on board had it or touching surfaces and being blown around with the HVAC system. The driver had a higher protection on the bus as the cab door was sealed and the only way you could effectively get was if someone coughs or sneezes right next to you - you can’t get it simply by walking past someone as it’s not an automatic transfer. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 23, 2020 23:21:01 GMT
Trouble is they were highly likely to get it with the high infection rates that were in London and many people always passing the driver on boarding or speaking to them. It is known to travel in the air within a near distance and was one of the reason they came out with social distancing. Walking throughout the bus also posed a risk to passengers and drivers if anyone on board had it or touching surfaces and being blown around with the HVAC system. The driver had a higher protection on the bus as the cab door was sealed and the only way you could effectively get was if someone coughs or sneezes right next to you - you can’t get it simply by walking past someone as it’s not an automatic transfer. Before the assault screen had the holes sealed it would have been possible. At times if you had someone with bad breath or someone who smoked before coming on the bus, you could smell it in the cab is it was drawn through the holes in the assault screen or where the cash counter was. |
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Post by busman on Mar 19, 2021 16:38:13 GMT
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 20, 2021 12:26:49 GMT
And more againLondon bus drivers: 'Unanswered questions' over Covid deathsLeshie Chandrapala lost her father Ranjith nearly a year ago and the past 12 months have been incredibly hard.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56404444
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 20, 2021 22:51:55 GMT
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