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Post by 6HP502C on May 30, 2020 12:07:04 GMT
Same as they would have to if the route was withdrawn. If cuts are needed to be made, routes like these will be the most likely to go. This makes me furious (them not you). How can they afford to get anywhere? There are no plans whatsoever to withdraw any routes as a consequence of covid. And if reductions are to be made, I should think routes with excess capacity would be more likely to see reductions than entire routes which people rely on.
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Post by snowman on May 30, 2020 12:10:54 GMT
On my way back from work I saw a N55 in Oxford Circus with a yellow sign at the front with the words along the line of Bus is full. I assume this in preparation for the morning. I have seen destination screens that change to this message in other places, but of course as TfL use roller blind destinations they have opted for the low tech solution of separate hand placed notice. Bet it won’t be long before some drivers just leave it displayed (or don’t use them) rather than remove it and replace it every few stops as passengers get off and on, especially if have to leave their seat to reach it.
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Post by greenboy on May 30, 2020 12:17:46 GMT
How does someone traveling from somewhere in the middle of no where like Knockholt, Halstead, Cudham etc get to work in Orpington on the R5/R10 when the bus whizzes past them because it already has more than 6 passengers on it? They have an hour and a half to wait for the next one that may also be full. Or what about someone trying to get to work in Romford from Havering-Atte-Bower or Stapleford Abbotts on the 375? They have to wait nearly 2 hours for the next one. Then they are late for work and have to spend half their wages on a cab. Well I'm afraid people are going to have think for themselves and if there is a likelihood that they won't get on the bus because of social distancing requirements consider other ways of getting to work.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 30, 2020 12:21:15 GMT
How does someone traveling from somewhere in the middle of no where like Knockholt, Halstead, Cudham etc get to work in Orpington on the R5/R10 when the bus whizzes past them because it already has more than 6 passengers on it? They have an hour and a half to wait for the next one that may also be full. Or what about someone trying to get to work in Romford from Havering-Atte-Bower or Stapleford Abbotts on the 375? They have to wait nearly 2 hours for the next one. Then they are late for work and have to spend half their wages on a cab. Well I'm afraid people are going to have think for themselves and if there is a likelihood that they won't get on the bus because of social distancing requirements consider other ways of getting to work. It's a bit ridiculous that something like this has just been implemented without any provision for extra services or anything.
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Post by greenboy on May 30, 2020 12:24:51 GMT
Well I'm afraid people are going to have think for themselves and if there is a likelihood that they won't get on the bus because of social distancing requirements consider other ways of getting to work. It's a bit ridiculous that something like this has just been implemented without any provision for extra services or anything. Well it's certainly not ideal but what else can be done? Extra services will just attract extra passengers and it'll be a case of how long is a peice of string.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2020 12:27:04 GMT
If you chose to live in a place with a country style bus service, it is a risk you take, as many rural communities outside of London have found to their cost. What about the country villages that are within Greater London? Does TFL not have an obligation to provide bus services within so many miles of populated areas or something along those lines? No. The only statutory obligation in terms of buses is that we provide skeleton services, focusing on children living more than 2/3 miles away from their school.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2020 12:33:02 GMT
How does someone traveling from somewhere in the middle of no where like Knockholt, Halstead, Cudham etc get to work in Orpington on the R5/R10 when the bus whizzes past them because it already has more than 6 passengers on it? They have an hour and a half to wait for the next one that may also be full. Or what about someone trying to get to work in Romford from Havering-Atte-Bower or Stapleford Abbotts on the 375? They have to wait nearly 2 hours for the next one. Then they are late for work and have to spend half their wages on a cab. Well I'm afraid people are going to have think for themselves and if there is a likelihood that they won't get on the bus because of social distancing requirements consider other ways of getting to work. Some people have no choice but use buses ie low paid workers.
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Post by greenboy on May 30, 2020 12:34:59 GMT
Well I'm afraid people are going to have think for themselves and if there is a likelihood that they won't get on the bus because of social distancing requirements consider other ways of getting to work. Some people have no choice but use buses ie low paid workers. So what do you suggest?
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Post by Dillon95 on May 30, 2020 13:30:55 GMT
We can't all afford to drive. We certainly can't all afford taxis.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2020 13:39:47 GMT
We can't all afford to drive. We certainly can't all afford taxis. Agree 100% with this , some just don't seem to be able to see the bigger picture or appreciate how tough some people have it. O and some can't cycle or walk before that old chestnut comes up.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2020 13:42:28 GMT
Some people have no choice but use buses ie low paid workers. So what do you suggest? As a minimum. TfL know what routes and journeys will cause issues. I’m initially thinking of early am night bus journeys into Central London on some routes which, pre lockdown were already standing room only. Some of these are 30 min headway services . Wherever possible, these trips must have duplicate buses. We are talking about people unlikely to be able to afford cabs and have no other means of travel. There must be many drivers without work, and many buses not being used. These include coach drivers and sightseeing operations not currently running.
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Post by greenboy on May 30, 2020 14:09:05 GMT
As a minimum. TfL know what routes and journeys will cause issues. I’m initially thinking of early am night bus journeys into Central London on some routes which, pre lockdown were already standing room only. Some of these are 30 min headway services . Wherever possible, these trips must have duplicate buses. We are talking about people unlikely to be able to afford cabs and have no other means of travel. There must be many drivers without work, and many buses not being used. These include coach drivers and sightseeing operations not currently running. Certain early morning buses into Central London possibly although then there is the matter of funding and with TfL virtually bankrupt something else would probably have to be cut to pay for these extra buses. But clearly it's not going be possible to put on anywhere near enough extra buses to compensate for the reduction in capacity throughout the day.
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Post by greenboy on May 30, 2020 14:13:35 GMT
We can't all afford to drive. We certainly can't all afford taxis. Agree 100% with this , some just don't seem to be able to see the bigger picture or appreciate how tough some people have it. O and some can't cycle or walk before that old chestnut comes up. And some people complain about everything but are unable to offer any sort of viable alternatives. If you really can't get into work speak to your employers about it.
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Post by ServerKing on May 30, 2020 15:19:20 GMT
Same as they would have to if the route was withdrawn. If cuts are needed to be made, routes like these will be the most likely to go. This makes me furious (them not you). How can they afford to get anywhere? Khan's plan is to make public transport so unappealing you buy a Range Rover Vogue like him instead The Bus Full sign requires the driver to leave their nice clean cab at risk of contamination, put it where it can be seen, and fiddle with the sign whilst guessing how many are actually onboard before calling a Code Red... unless PVRs double, all DW and DLA trainers convert back to passenger use for the 123, 41 etc it's just mot feasible. Seriously, 20 on a bus designed for around 70 passengers? Can he allow operators to sub out to minicab firms so we can get some Galaxy and Priuses in to bulk up the peak time services?
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Post by TB123 on May 30, 2020 15:24:55 GMT
This makes me furious (them not you). How can they afford to get anywhere? Khan's plan is to make public transport so unappealing you buy a Range Rover Vogue like him instead The Bus Full sign requires the driver to leave their nice clean cab at risk of contamination, put it where it can be seen, and fiddle with the sign whilst guessing how many are actually onboard before calling a Code Red... unless PVRs double, all DW and DLA trainers convert back to passenger use for the 123, 41 etc it's just mot feasible. Seriously, 20 on a bus designed for around 70 passengers? Can he allow operators to sub out to minicab firms so we can get some Galaxy and Priuses in to bulk up the peak time services? Sadiq himself has a VW Golf - the Range Rover is a Police car.
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