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Post by route53 on May 30, 2020 10:39:47 GMT
Covid-19 has sent the world upside down.
TfL is broke because of it, commuters are changing their habits so how do you think this will impact on rail services and timetables? Will there be a recast in the timetable to reflect the demand?
If more people work from home (something I think is here to stay) is there any point in HS2?
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Post by greenboy on May 30, 2020 10:58:46 GMT
Covid-19 has sent the world upside down. TfL is broke because of it, commuters are changing their habits so how do you think this will impact on rail services and timetables? Will there be a recast in the timetable to reflect the demand? If more people work from home (something I think is here to stay) is there any point in HS2? Yes it certainly has changed a lot of things, some permanently. I've wondered about HS2 but I think there will be enough leisure traffic although more and more business meetings are likely to be done remotely and yes I think working from home is definitely here to stay in fact it had been rapidly increasing even before Covid-19. I think there is going to be some peak hour reductions on the railway although this might allow more efficient use of rolling stock. |
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Post by route53 on May 31, 2020 12:49:56 GMT
Covid-19 has sent the world upside down. TfL is broke because of it, commuters are changing their habits so how do you think this will impact on rail services and timetables? Will there be a recast in the timetable to reflect the demand? If more people work from home (something I think is here to stay) is there any point in HS2? Yes it certainly has changed a lot of things, some permanently. I've wondered about HS2 but I think there will be enough leisure traffic although more and more business meetings are likely to be done remotely and yes I think working from home is definitely here to stay in fact it had been rapidly increasing even before Covid-19. I think there is going to be some peak hour reductions on the railway although this might allow more efficient use of rolling stock. HS2 will probably end up being curtailed at Birmingham but won’t go any further. Peak hour timetables will indeed be recast, with fewer woop travelling on trains I imagine train companies might be worried about their finances but I’m not certain on that |
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Post by snowman on May 31, 2020 13:00:12 GMT
Yes it certainly has changed a lot of things, some permanently. I've wondered about HS2 but I think there will be enough leisure traffic although more and more business meetings are likely to be done remotely and yes I think working from home is definitely here to stay in fact it had been rapidly increasing even before Covid-19. I think there is going to be some peak hour reductions on the railway although this might allow more efficient use of rolling stock. HS2 will probably end up being curtailed at Birmingham but won’t go any further. Peak hour timetables will indeed be recast, with fewer woop travelling on trains I imagine train companies might be worried about their finances but I’m not certain on that I have heard that HS2 towards Crewe and Manchester has a cost benefit of 2.6, but the East Midlands-Sheffield-Leeds has cost benefit over over 5 Seems to me they built the wrong section, should have built the Birmingham-Leeds part |
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Post by rif153 on Jun 1, 2020 12:58:44 GMT
HS2 will probably end up being curtailed at Birmingham but won’t go any further. Peak hour timetables will indeed be recast, with fewer woop travelling on trains I imagine train companies might be worried about their finances but I’m not certain on that I have heard that HS2 towards Crewe and Manchester has a cost benefit of 2.6, but the East Midlands-Sheffield-Leeds has cost benefit over over 5 Seems to me they built the wrong section, should have built the Birmingham-Leeds part I totally agree and like route53 I can't see the route north of Birmingham ever being built. I think they should have started in the north and worked downwards but focusing on the connections between the northern cities is also very important, don't forget that the Manchester-Leeds railway still yet to be electrified and let's be honest that HS3 or NPR if you prefer won't be built for at least forty years if not more. |
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Post by route53 on Jun 12, 2020 9:53:03 GMT
Well the economy is basically in the toilet and we are heading for an even worse crash than the one back in 2008-2010, so kiss goodbye to HS2 beyond Birmingham, Bakerloo extension to Lewisham (I reckon this will be reworked into a much shorter but arguably more useful Camberwell extension, in the 2040s), CrossRail 2/Chelney, CrossRail extension time Gravesend, New tube trains for the Bakerloo, Piccadilly, Central & Waterloo & City lines (The latter two lines do have relatively newer trains than the Bakerloo & Piccadilly which date back to the late 60s/early 70s! So they may replace those trains) and the Heathrow expansion
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Post by rif153 on Jun 12, 2020 10:56:44 GMT
Well the economy is basically in the toilet and we are heading for an even worse crash than the one back in 2008-2010, so kiss goodbye to HS2 beyond Birmingham, Bakerloo extension to Lewisham (I reckon this will be reworked into a much shorter but arguably more useful Camberwell extension, in the 2040s), CrossRail 2/Chelney, CrossRail extension time Gravesend, New tube trains for the Bakerloo, Piccadilly, Central & Waterloo & City lines (The latter two lines do have relatively newer trains than the Bakerloo & Piccadilly which date back to the late 60s/early 70s! So they may replace those trains) and the Heathrow expansion I don't think it would be a bad idea to prioritise the tram extension to Sutton as light rail is cheaper to build and this scheme would benefit a poorly connected area. Of course it won't happen as the route hasn't even been finalised yet and the crash has kicked all infrastructure projects into the long grass. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 12:30:27 GMT
Well the economy is basically in the toilet and we are heading for an even worse crash than the one back in 2008-2010, so kiss goodbye to HS2 beyond Birmingham, Bakerloo extension to Lewisham (I reckon this will be reworked into a much shorter but arguably more useful Camberwell extension, in the 2040s), CrossRail 2/Chelney, CrossRail extension time Gravesend, New tube trains for the Bakerloo, Piccadilly, Central & Waterloo & City lines (The latter two lines do have relatively newer trains than the Bakerloo & Piccadilly which date back to the late 60s/early 70s! So they may replace those trains) and the Heathrow expansion I don't think it would be a bad idea to prioritise the tram extension to Sutton as light rail is cheaper to build and this scheme would benefit a poorly connected area. Of course it won't happen as the route hasn't even been finalised yet and the crash has kicked all infrastructure projects into the long grass. I have to agree, TfL simply won’t have the funds for the tram extension and I think if they are going to do a project it will either be Crossrail 2 or the Bakerloo Line extension. Of these I think Crossrail 2 is more likely because it will likely be part funded by the DfT, central government and through the Community Infrastructure Levy. I honestly think a large construction project like CR2 or the BLE would help secure thousands of jobs lost through potentially cancelled building construction projects. It will also prevent strain long term if demand was to return in the future. It’s a gamble but it would be worth investing now to secure long term gains. |
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Post by greenboy on Jun 13, 2020 6:44:15 GMT
Well the economy is basically in the toilet and we are heading for an even worse crash than the one back in 2008-2010, so kiss goodbye to HS2 beyond Birmingham, Bakerloo extension to Lewisham (I reckon this will be reworked into a much shorter but arguably more useful Camberwell extension, in the 2040s), CrossRail 2/Chelney, CrossRail extension time Gravesend, New tube trains for the Bakerloo, Piccadilly, Central & Waterloo & City lines (The latter two lines do have relatively newer trains than the Bakerloo & Piccadilly which date back to the late 60s/early 70s! So they may replace those trains) and the Heathrow expansion I wouldn't be so sure about HS2 beyond Birmingham, the counter argument is that this is exactly the time to press ahead with such projects. I don't see the Bakerloo Line extension happening anytime soon though, it's been talked about for decades anyway, and other London projects look very doubtful. |
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Post by route53 on Jun 13, 2020 11:54:21 GMT
Well the economy is basically in the toilet and we are heading for an even worse crash than the one back in 2008-2010, so kiss goodbye to HS2 beyond Birmingham, Bakerloo extension to Lewisham (I reckon this will be reworked into a much shorter but arguably more useful Camberwell extension, in the 2040s), CrossRail 2/Chelney, CrossRail extension time Gravesend, New tube trains for the Bakerloo, Piccadilly, Central & Waterloo & City lines (The latter two lines do have relatively newer trains than the Bakerloo & Piccadilly which date back to the late 60s/early 70s! So they may replace those trains) and the Heathrow expansion I wouldn't be so sure about HS2 beyond Birmingham, the counter argument is that this is exactly the time to press ahead with such projects. I don't see the Bakerloo Line extension happening anytime soon though, it's been talked about for decades anyway, and other London projects look very doubtful. With more and more companies encouraging people to work from home more and doing video conference calls, this alone will make the need of HS2 somewhat redundant, the whole point of HS2 was to get business people connected with London and cities in the Midlands and the North such as Birmingham, Leeds, Manchester and Liverpool, but with working from home set to be a new permanent fixture on the business landscape, I can’t see any reasonable argument for HS2 at all, but seeing as it’s going to be built from London to Birmingham anyway I reckon they’ll stick with that section and maybe at a later date they’ll build a Northern CrossRail between Leeds and Liverpool via Manchester |
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Post by greenboy on Jun 13, 2020 18:43:00 GMT
I wouldn't be so sure about HS2 beyond Birmingham, the counter argument is that this is exactly the time to press ahead with such projects. I don't see the Bakerloo Line extension happening anytime soon though, it's been talked about for decades anyway, and other London projects look very doubtful. With more and more companies encouraging people to work from home more and doing video conference calls, this alone will make the need of HS2 somewhat redundant, the whole point of HS2 was to get business people connected with London and cities in the Midlands and the North such as Birmingham, Leeds, Manchester and Liverpool, but with working from home set to be a new permanent fixture on the business landscape, I can’t see any reasonable argument for HS2 at all, but seeing as it’s going to be built from London to Birmingham anyway I reckon they’ll stick with that section and maybe at a later date they’ll build a Northern CrossRail between Leeds and Liverpool via Manchester The point of HS2 is faster travel for everyone and to free up capacity on the WCML....... yes there will be more video conferencing and working from home but we've been moving in that direction for some years now, covid has just speeded the process up a bit. There is plenty of leisure travel on the WCML and people being forced to stand for two hour journeys is unacceptable. |
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Post by route53 on Jun 13, 2020 19:58:45 GMT
With more and more companies encouraging people to work from home more and doing video conference calls, this alone will make the need of HS2 somewhat redundant, the whole point of HS2 was to get business people connected with London and cities in the Midlands and the North such as Birmingham, Leeds, Manchester and Liverpool, but with working from home set to be a new permanent fixture on the business landscape, I can’t see any reasonable argument for HS2 at all, but seeing as it’s going to be built from London to Birmingham anyway I reckon they’ll stick with that section and maybe at a later date they’ll build a Northern CrossRail between Leeds and Liverpool via Manchester The point of HS2 is faster travel for everyone and to free up capacity on the WCML....... yes there will be more video conferencing and working from home but we've been moving in that direction for some years now, covid has just speeded the process up a bit. There is plenty of leisure travel on the WCML and people being forced to stand for two hour journeys is unacceptable. HS2 is a vanity project that will squeeze out leisure travels because there will be premium fares, it’ll ruin the local ecology too, I’d rather they upgrade the WCML than build a new train set for businessmen |
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Post by greenboy on Jun 13, 2020 20:04:55 GMT
The point of HS2 is faster travel for everyone and to free up capacity on the WCML....... yes there will be more video conferencing and working from home but we've been moving in that direction for some years now, covid has just speeded the process up a bit. There is plenty of leisure travel on the WCML and people being forced to stand for two hour journeys is unacceptable. HS2 is a vanity project that will squeeze out leisure travels because there will be premium fares, it’ll ruin the local ecology too, I’d rather they upgrade the WCML than build a new train set for businessmen Vanity project? The WCML cannot be upgraded it's at full capacity. |
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Post by TB123 on Jun 13, 2020 20:51:07 GMT
HS2 is a vanity project that will squeeze out leisure travels because there will be premium fares, it’ll ruin the local ecology too, I’d rather they upgrade the WCML than build a new train set for businessmen Vanity project? The WCML cannot be upgraded it's at full capacity. Agreed. HS2 is a brilliant project, most works have started so no going back now!! |
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Post by route53 on Jun 13, 2020 23:47:48 GMT
HS2 is a vanity project that will squeeze out leisure travels because there will be premium fares, it’ll ruin the local ecology too, I’d rather they upgrade the WCML than build a new train set for businessmen Vanity project? The WCML cannot be upgraded it's at full capacity. It’s a vanity project, an expensive one that destroys ancient woodland, it’s a waste in my opinion it’ll be expensive fares and leisure travellers will be shafted by longer journeys on the WCML while businessmen will get quicker journeys because they can afford it. If it gets cut back to Birmingham it won’t be a loss |
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