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Post by nickfreckle on Jun 9, 2020 12:05:23 GMT
Got me thinking - was having a chat on Facebook with someone else that frequents these forums about TfL Route 370 operating out of GY (Grays) by Arriva. The route started back in the 30's, and has always run from GY (Even though GY is on it's 2nd garage after the original GY closed in the 90's to make way for a Morrisons).
As well as it being run out of the same garage all of that time, the lineage of the current operating company company stretches back all that time, making it a direct descendant - London Country (LT), London Country (NBC) London Country North East (NBC) London Country North East (AJS Group), Thameside (County Bus & Coach), Arriva (Herts and Essex) and Arriva (London North).
Are there any other TfL routes with such an un-broken and long history?
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Post by ThinLizzy on Jun 9, 2020 13:11:26 GMT
Got me thinking - was having a chat on Facebook with someone else that frequents these forums about TfL Route 370 operating out of GY (Grays) by Arriva. The route started back in the 30's, and has always run from GY (Even though GY is on it's 2nd garage after the original GY closed in the 90's to make way for a Morrisons). As well as it being run out of the same garage all of that time, the lineage of the current operating company company stretches back all that time, making it a direct descendant - London Country (LT), London Country (NBC) London Country North East (NBC) London Country North East (AJS Group), Thameside (County Bus & Coach), Arriva (Herts and Essex) and Arriva (London North). Are there any other TfL routes with such an un-broken and long history? Up until being lost the 173 had a pretty long lineage having started with Dix Travel at their Dagenham depot, then going through Grey Green and eventually Arriva. The only other routes I can think of in my area are the 8 (BW), 169 (BK) and 294 (NS)
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Post by redexpress on Jun 9, 2020 14:28:35 GMT
The 80 has been operated solely from Sutton (A) since at least 1934 (and possibly earlier - I don't know its pre-1934 history). The route itself has changed quite substantially since then, but there is a direct lineage.
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Post by greenboy on Jun 9, 2020 14:58:58 GMT
The 124 has operated continuously from TL since the 1930s.
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Post by rebbelhead on Jun 9, 2020 16:39:25 GMT
Got me thinking - was having a chat on Facebook with someone else that frequents these forums about TfL Route 370 operating out of GY (Grays) by Arriva. The route started back in the 30's, and has always run from GY (Even though GY is on it's 2nd garage after the original GY closed in the 90's to make way for a Morrisons). As well as it being run out of the same garage all of that time, the lineage of the current operating company company stretches back all that time, making it a direct descendant - London Country (LT), London Country (NBC) London Country North East (NBC) London Country North East (AJS Group), Thameside (County Bus & Coach), Arriva (Herts and Essex) and Arriva (London North). Are there any other TfL routes with such an un-broken and long history? Interesting that one. Would the 370 (or whatever number it had before LT days) have been one of the Eastern National Thurrock area routes that transferred to LT lock stock & barrel, I think in the very early 1950s? I knew the Tilbury end well in the mid to late 1950s from visiting my grandmother and going to the Tilbury ferry. The ride (RTs) could be very hairy indeed over the narrow twisting viaduct approaching the ferry terminal, no doubt the crews wanted to arrive asap to get extra tea time.
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Post by nickfreckle on Jun 9, 2020 20:35:57 GMT
Got me thinking - was having a chat on Facebook with someone else that frequents these forums about TfL Route 370 operating out of GY (Grays) by Arriva. The route started back in the 30's, and has always run from GY (Even though GY is on it's 2nd garage after the original GY closed in the 90's to make way for a Morrisons). As well as it being run out of the same garage all of that time, the lineage of the current operating company company stretches back all that time, making it a direct descendant - London Country (LT), London Country (NBC) London Country North East (NBC) London Country North East (AJS Group), Thameside (County Bus & Coach), Arriva (Herts and Essex) and Arriva (London North). Are there any other TfL routes with such an un-broken and long history? Interesting that one. Would the 370 (or whatever number it had before LT days) have been one of the Eastern National Thurrock area routes that transferred to LT lock stock & barrel, I think in the very early 1950s? I knew the Tilbury end well in the mid to late 1950s from visiting my grandmother and going to the Tilbury ferry. The ride (RTs) could be very hairy indeed over the narrow twisting viaduct approaching the ferry terminal, no doubt the crews wanted to arrive asap to get extra tea time. It's always been 370. It was originally Romford to Purfleet, but the terminus changed tro Tilbury, then to Grays, until eventually it only went as far as Lakeside. Apart from the shortening and the terminus changes at the Thurrock ends, it's had very little change apart from the diversion through Emerson Park in the early 90's. It's always been an LT Country Area route too.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 10, 2020 10:36:06 GMT
Got me thinking - was having a chat on Facebook with someone else that frequents these forums about TfL Route 370 operating out of GY (Grays) by Arriva. The route started back in the 30's, and has always run from GY (Even though GY is on it's 2nd garage after the original GY closed in the 90's to make way for a Morrisons). As well as it being run out of the same garage all of that time, the lineage of the current operating company company stretches back all that time, making it a direct descendant - London Country (LT), London Country (NBC) London Country North East (NBC) London Country North East (AJS Group), Thameside (County Bus & Coach), Arriva (Herts and Essex) and Arriva (London North). Are there any other TfL routes with such an un-broken and long history? Never realised that Morrisons was a bus garage. I went to visit Grays in the 90's but too many years to remember what most of the area was like,.
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Post by hangerlane on Jun 10, 2020 11:49:30 GMT
Does the 140 count? Continuously run from Harrow Weald since 1934, running trough the core section Harrow on the Hill to Hayes with extensions at both ends, but with a deviation via Porlock Avenue since the 60s.
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Post by LX09FBJ on Jun 10, 2020 11:58:59 GMT
Does the 140 count? Continuously run from Harrow Weald since 1934, running trough the core section Harrow on the Hill to Hayes with extensions at both ends, but with a deviation via Porlock Avenue since the 60s. London United's Hounslow (AV) ran the route during the 1990s. Speaking of Hounslow, the 111 routeing may have changed besides the Hounslow-Hanworth section but it has been run from Hounslow since its inception in 1944, and has been based there exclusively since 1958
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Post by rebbelhead on Jun 10, 2020 12:51:20 GMT
Interesting that one. Would the 370 (or whatever number it had before LT days) have been one of the Eastern National Thurrock area routes that transferred to LT lock stock & barrel, I think in the very early 1950s? I knew the Tilbury end well in the mid to late 1950s from visiting my grandmother and going to the Tilbury ferry. The ride (RTs) could be very hairy indeed over the narrow twisting viaduct approaching the ferry terminal, no doubt the crews wanted to arrive asap to get extra tea time. It's always been 370. It was originally Romford to Purfleet, but the terminus changed tro Tilbury, then to Grays, until eventually it only went as far as Lakeside. Apart from the shortening and the terminus changes at the Thurrock ends, it's had very little change apart from the diversion through Emerson Park in the early 90's. It's always been an LT Country Area route too. Thanks nickfreckle. I had been under the impression that the 370 was probably one of the Eastern National routes until 1951, but clearly not. A bit of research shows that LT took over the Thurrock area of E.N. in 1951, but initially ran its local routes without change from the depot at Argent Street, Grays. In January 1952 the network was rationalised and that's when the 370 was extended to Tilbury Ferry, absorbing the former E.N. 37A. Sorted!
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Post by vjaska on Jun 10, 2020 13:25:10 GMT
If it wasn't for the 313's small stint at PB, I suspect it could be the next best contender?
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Post by redexpress on Jun 10, 2020 14:33:27 GMT
If it wasn't for the 313's small stint at PB, I suspect it could be the next best contender? 313 started off as a London Country route operated out of St Albans. If you're looking at the history on Ian Armstong's site, that only covers the period from 1982 when the route transferred from London Country to London Buses (in exchange for route 84).
Following a 3-year stint at PB, the 313 was one of the first routes to be put out to tender, and was awarded to London Country (subsequently LCNE). It was then transferred to Grey Green when LCNE went on strike, and only ended up at Enfield when it was retendered in 1996.
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Post by wirewiper on Jun 10, 2020 14:38:17 GMT
If it wasn't for the 313's small stint at PB, I suspect it could be the next best contender? 313 started off as a London Country route operated out of St Albans. If you're looking at the history on Ian Armstong's site, that only covers the period from 1982 when the route transferred from London Country to London Buses (in exchange for route 84).
Following a 3-year stint at PB, the 313 was one of the first routes to be put out to tender, and was awarded to London Country (subsequently LCNE). It was then transferred to Grey Green when LCNE went on strike, and only ended up at Enfield when it was retendered in 1996.
The 313 has a small claim to fame, in that it was the first Central Area red bus route to be numbered in the 300-499 Country Bus series.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 11, 2020 0:15:59 GMT
[AD] has had an allocation on route 102 since 1947
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Post by galwhv69 on Jun 11, 2020 13:11:19 GMT
The 6 always had some kind of allocation at AC since 1934
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