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Post by wirewiper on Jun 27, 2020 9:11:19 GMT
Because of the continual change to London's bus network over the years, route numbers are sometimes withdrawn, only to reappear in a different part of London.
Occasionally, it happens that two route numbers which originally met in one part of London, subsequently met in a different part of London.
One example is 158 and 230. Until the late 1960s these route numbers both met in Wealdstone High Street. Now they meet in the Walthamstow area.
Another example is 182 and 186. These were created in 1952 as tram replacement routes, and met in the Lewisham, Eltham and Woolwich areas. The 186 was withdrawn in 1964 and the 182 in 1968. Both numbers were reused in the Harrow area as part of the changes of June 1970 (they replaced parts of the 18) and still meet there today - and for good measure, they also meet at Brent Cross.
Can anyone think of any others?
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Post by M1104 on Jun 27, 2020 10:56:59 GMT
The 220 used to meet the old 95¹ at Tooting Broadway, it now meets it at Shepherd's Bush Green.
¹ - somewhat the 333 of the day
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Post by twobellstogo on Jun 27, 2020 11:10:51 GMT
178 and 272 is the one that comes to my mind. Stratford area until the late 60s, then Thamesmead-Woolwich from 1980 to 1999 when the 272 left the area.
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Post by busaholic on Jun 27, 2020 22:31:53 GMT
The 46 and 70 used to share a routeing between Victoria and Waterloo in the 1950s/60s via Horseferry Road, while the present 46 and 70, though entirely different routes, both operate in the inner N.W. London area - I'm not sure whether they actually meet, but they're certainly very close to each other at times.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jun 28, 2020 9:10:49 GMT
Routes 10 (Victoria - Wanstead) and 168 (Putney Heath - Farringdon Street) met near Lambeth Bridge.
Routes 10 (King's Cross - Hammersmith) and 168 (Hampstead Heath - Old Kent Road) met at Euston.
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Post by greg on Jun 28, 2020 17:04:49 GMT
Routes 10 (Victoria - Wanstead) and 168 (Putney Heath - Farringdon Street) met near Lambeth Bridge. Routes 10 (King's Cross - Hammersmith) and 168 (Hampstead Heath - Old Kent Road) met at Euston. not anymore  the 10 was withdrawn a while ago and replaced by the 14 and 23 in some areas |
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Post by busaholic on Jun 28, 2020 17:33:14 GMT
The 242 and 205 used to meet at Waltham Cross/Abbey and the modern day routes with those numbers meet at Liverpool Street.
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Post by wirewiper on Jun 28, 2020 17:54:03 GMT
Thought of one more: the 405 and 434 used to be London Country green bus routes meeting in Crawley, now they are red bus routes meeting in Coulsdon.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 28, 2020 17:58:23 GMT
The number 10 seems to be cursed to survive.
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Post by twobellstogo on Jun 28, 2020 20:53:41 GMT
Thought of another : 55 and 97 were Ealing area routes in the 1960s, but now of course they meet in Walthamstow and Leyton.
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Post by twobellstogo on Jun 28, 2020 21:02:18 GMT
I’m on a roll 😂
211 and 218 : Kingston and into different bits of Elmbridge, Surrey in the 1970s and 1980s - but now the current 211 and 218 meet rather closer to the centre of town in Hammersmith.
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Post by george on Jun 28, 2020 21:04:11 GMT
I’m on a roll 😂 211 and 218 : Kingston and into different bits of Elmbridge, Surrey in the 1970s and 1980s - but now the current 211 and 218 meet rather closer to the centre of town in Hammersmith. They don't share the same stop but they do actually meet on the one way system. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Jun 28, 2020 21:09:58 GMT
I’m on a roll 😂 211 and 218 : Kingston and into different bits of Elmbridge, Surrey in the 1970s and 1980s - but now the current 211 and 218 meet rather closer to the centre of town in Hammersmith. They don't share the same stop but they do actually meet on the one way system. The criteria is that they met, not necessarily use exactly the same stop. 211 and 218 meet that criteria. I don’t think the old 211 and 218 would have used the same stops either - 211 is roughly what is now the eastern end of the current Falcon 461, and 218 is now basically the Hallmark 458, thus they left Kingston in different directions. That is also allowing for Kingston’s road layout being rather different then, too. |
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Post by george on Jun 28, 2020 21:13:44 GMT
They don't share the same stop but they do actually meet on the one way system. The criteria is that they met, not necessarily use exactly the same stop. 211 and 218 meet that criteria. I don’t think the old 211 and 218 would have used the same stops either - 211 is roughly what is now the eastern end of the current Falcon 461, and 218 is now basically the Hallmark 458, thus they left Kingston in different directions. That is also allowing for Kingston’s road layout being rather different then, too. Sorry my message didn't come out that clear I was suggesting it was good one to pick. Was just saying how do they actually meet rather than just come close to one another at Hammersmith. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Jun 28, 2020 21:15:48 GMT
The criteria is that they met, not necessarily use exactly the same stop. 211 and 218 meet that criteria. I don’t think the old 211 and 218 would have used the same stops either - 211 is roughly what is now the eastern end of the current Falcon 461, and 218 is now basically the Hallmark 458, thus they left Kingston in different directions. That is also allowing for Kingston’s road layout being rather different then, too. Sorry my message didn't come out that clear I was suggesting it was good one to pick. Was just saying how do they actually meet rather than just come close to one another at Hammersmith. ‘s ok : gives me an excuse to reminisce 😂 |
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the 10 was withdrawn a while ago and replaced by the 14 and 23 in some areas