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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jun 28, 2020 21:39:28 GMT
Routes 10 (Victoria - Wanstead) and 168 (Putney Heath - Farringdon Street) met near Lambeth Bridge. Routes 10 (King's Cross - Hammersmith) and 168 (Hampstead Heath - Old Kent Road) met at Euston. not anymore  the 10 was withdrawn a while ago and replaced by the 14 and 23 in some areas True, but I did say the met, not that they still meet.  Actually, both route 10s also met route 148s - Previous route 148 (Leytonstone - Wanstead - Dagenham) and current route 148 (Shepherd's Bush - Park Lane - Camberwell Green) respectively. |
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Post by Ts_As on Jun 29, 2020 2:09:08 GMT
It’s interesting seeing 50, 60, 109 and 250 meeting at the same area in Croydon and Streatham.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Jun 29, 2020 5:44:53 GMT
not anymore the 10 was withdrawn a while ago and replaced by the 14 and 23 in some areas True, but I did say the met, not that they still meet. Actually, both route 10s also met route 148s - Previous route 148 (Leytonstone - Wanstead - Dagenham) and current route 148 (Shepherd's Bush - Park Lane - Camberwell Green) respectively. another one for the 148 87 and 148 used to meet at Becontree Martins Corner, now they meet at Parliament Square There may be another with the 23 and 148, used to meet in Becontree, now meet at Hyde Park Corner |
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Post by twobellstogo on Jun 29, 2020 13:24:39 GMT
87 and 156 - Barking in the 1970s and into the 1980s.
Today - they meet in Wandsworth.
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Post by busaholic on Jun 29, 2020 15:31:51 GMT
Because of the continual change to London's bus network over the years, route numbers are sometimes withdrawn, only to reappear in a different part of London. Occasionally, it happens that two route numbers which originally met in one part of London, subsequently met in a different part of London. One example is 158 and 230. Until the late 1960s these route numbers both met in Wealdstone High Street. Now they meet in the Walthamstow area. Another example is 182 and 186. These were created in 1952 as tram replacement routes, and met in the Lewisham, Eltham and Woolwich areas. The 186 was withdrawn in 1964 and the 182 in 1968. Both numbers were reused in the Harrow area as part of the changes of June 1970 (they replaced parts of the 18) and still meet there today - and for good measure, they also meet at Brent Cross. Can anyone think of any others? Bit of a cheeky one this, but as I changed buses between the two routes concerned at both locations;- the old 182 and 18 met on Southwark Bridge Road, and now the 182 and 18 share the road between Sudbury and Wembley. |
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Post by stuckonthe486 on Jun 30, 2020 17:08:53 GMT
London Country 486 used to meet the London Country 492 in Dartford (and Crayford?).
Now the TfL 486 meets the TfL 492 in Bexleyheath.
(Stretching it a bit with the 492, admittedly...)
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Post by twobellstogo on Jun 30, 2020 17:18:46 GMT
It’s slightly stretching it, but the 233 and 269 in the 1960s both served Finsbury Park - the former in the bus station, the latter just a few steps away, but not quite serving the same road per se.
Today, the two current routes of those numbers meet in Sidcup.
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Post by wirewiper on Jun 30, 2020 17:51:00 GMT
414 and 424 used to meet as London Country routes in Reigate. They now meet as TfL routes at Putney Bridge/Fulham Broadway.
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Post by greenboy on Jun 30, 2020 20:22:17 GMT
Cheating a bit but the 190 and 414 both ran between Croydon and Coulsdon years ago and now they come almost within touching distance in the Fulham area.
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Post by danorak on Jul 1, 2020 5:51:13 GMT
The 70 and 228 used to meet between London Bridge and Eltham - exactly where would depend on which route was in the ascendancy at the time. Now they meet in East Acton around Savoy Circus.
The 129 and 199 used to meet in Ilford. They currently meet in Greenwich. When the 129 is extended via the 199 to Lewisham, it will meet the 225 which it also used to meet in Ilford.
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Post by Catford94 on Jul 3, 2020 23:06:46 GMT
208 shared part of its route with the 178 (previously 208A) between Clapton Pond and Hackney Wick, they now meet at Lewisham
94 (in peak hours) and 228 met at Sidcup, now at Holland Park
70 and 94 met at Lewisham (for a short while - the 70 seemed to change more often than most), now round Notting Hill Gate
182 and 186 shared most of the route between Lewisham and Woolwich, now both in the Harrow patch
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 4, 2020 11:18:44 GMT
208 shared part of its route with the 178 (previously 208A) between Clapton Pond and Hackney Wick, they now meet at Lewisham 94 (in peak hours) and 228 met at Sidcup, now at Holland Park 70 and 94 met at Lewisham (for a short while - the 70 seemed to change more often than most), now round Notting Hill Gate 182 and 186 shared most of the route between Lewisham and Woolwich, now both in the Harrow patch Talking of routes 94 & 208, route 94 in Lewisham was withdrawn in 1982, with routes 208 & 261 part replacing it. The previous route 208 was in west London, and the subsequent ie current route 94 is in west London. Barnet used to be served by route 261 but it is now partly covered by route 184. Route 184 used to be a south east London route, now largely covered by route 484. |
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Post by wirewiper on Jul 4, 2020 12:34:08 GMT
208 shared part of its route with the 178 (previously 208A) between Clapton Pond and Hackney Wick, they now meet at Lewisham 94 (in peak hours) and 228 met at Sidcup, now at Holland Park 70 and 94 met at Lewisham (for a short while - the 70 seemed to change more often than most), now round Notting Hill Gate 182 and 186 shared most of the route between Lewisham and Woolwich, now both in the Harrow patch Talking of routes 94 & 208, route 94 in Lewisham was withdrawn in 1982, with routes 208 & 261 part replacing it. The previous route 208 was in west London, and the subsequent ie current route 94 is in west London. Barnet used to be served by route 261 but it is now partly covered by route 184. Route 184 used to be a south east London route, now largely covered by route 484. The 208 and 261 also enabled the Lewisham-Farnborough journeys on the 47 to be withdrawn, and the 261 also replaced the Orpington-Farnborough section of the 229 allowing through journeys across Farnborough (this role has since been taken up by the 358). I believe the changes were because although the 94 was operated by both TL and TB, it passed neither so all on-the-road crew reliefs were done remotely. The 208 and 261 had crew reliefs outside their operating garages (TL and TB respectively). Both routes were introduced in September 1982 as crew routes initially, so that conductors could deal with passenger queries as the travelling public got used to the new routes, but the intention was always that they would go driver-only. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 4, 2020 12:38:29 GMT
Talking of routes 94 & 208, route 94 in Lewisham was withdrawn in 1982, with routes 208 & 261 part replacing it. The previous route 208 was in west London, and the subsequent ie current route 94 is in west London. Barnet used to be served by route 261 but it is now partly covered by route 184. Route 184 used to be a south east London route, now largely covered by route 484. The 208 and 261 also enabled the Lewisham-Farnborough journeys on the 47 to be withdrawn, and the 261 also replaced the Orpington-Farnborough section of the 229 allowing through journeys across Farnborough (this role has since been taken up by the 358). I believe the changes were because although the 94 was operated by both TL and TB, it passed neither so all on-the-road crew reliefs were done remotely. The 208 and 261 had crew reliefs outside their operating garages (TL and TB respectively). Both routes were introduced in September 1982 as crew routes initially, so that conductors could deal with passenger queries as the travelling public got used to the new routes, but the intention was always that they would go driver-only. Indeed, route 261 went opo in April 1983 then route 208 in February 1985. It took less than 2 years after that, in fact October 1986, for route 47 then to go opo. |
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Post by busaholic on Jul 4, 2020 17:25:28 GMT
Talking of routes 94 & 208, route 94 in Lewisham was withdrawn in 1982, with routes 208 & 261 part replacing it. The previous route 208 was in west London, and the subsequent ie current route 94 is in west London. Barnet used to be served by route 261 but it is now partly covered by route 184. Route 184 used to be a south east London route, now largely covered by route 484. The 208 and 261 also enabled the Lewisham-Farnborough journeys on the 47 to be withdrawn, and the 261 also replaced the Orpington-Farnborough section of the 229 allowing through journeys across Farnborough (this role has since been taken up by the 358). I believe the changes were because although the 94 was operated by both TL and TB, it passed neither so all on-the-road crew reliefs were done remotely. The 208 and 261 had crew reliefs outside their operating garages (TL and TB respectively). Both routes were introduced in September 1982 as crew routes initially, so that conductors could deal with passenger queries as the travelling public got used to the new routes, but the intention was always that they would go driver-only. The 94 situation wasn't helped by it passing neither TB or TL but its bunching was mainly caused by the intense rivalry between the two garages, exacerbated by the Petts Wood 'shorts' waiting for the through bus from Orpington to appear before sneaking in behind, either hanging back if they were early, or waiting until Mason's Hill/Bromley South to overtake if they were late: this happened regardless of whether one garage allocated the two vehicles concerned. I lived for a while overlooking the Masons Hill/Westmoreland Road junction so was able to see this first hand any weekday, but not evenings. |
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the 10 was withdrawn a while ago and replaced by the 14 and 23 in some areas 
