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Post by ian on Sept 15, 2020 18:07:55 GMT
Useful to know, thanks - but not quite the swift introduction the local politicians were thinking of!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 20:16:03 GMT
Useful to know, thanks - but not quite the swift introduction the local politicians were thinking of! Indeed; it seems strange that they initially pushed this simple change through under the guise of immediate, increased hospital accessibility (relating to COVID/key workers), yet it has taken so long to implement... |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 15, 2020 20:38:57 GMT
Useful to know, thanks - but not quite the swift introduction the local politicians were thinking of! Indeed; it seems strange that they initially pushed this simple change through under the guise of immediate, increased hospital accessibility (relating to COVID/key workers), yet it has taken so long to implement... Seems a couple of other hospital changes have been delayed to 2021 according to that link - 324 & 456 IIRC were October 2020 but now seems to be 2021 |
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Post by snowman on Oct 24, 2020 9:26:23 GMT
Seems the 383 change from 31 Oct has now made it to TfL bus changes page TfL clearly don’t believe in the keep it simple approach, as the Saturday service starts one minute before weekday service (why bother on a half hourly bus service), is a minute difference worth a separate timetable for one day a week tfl.gov.uk/modes/buses/bus-changes |
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Post by galwhv69 on Oct 28, 2020 13:25:25 GMT
383 route branding is in the process of being updated
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Post by uakari on Oct 29, 2020 6:48:33 GMT
383 route branding is in the process of being updated Route branding is such a waste of money. |
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Post by greenboy on Oct 29, 2020 7:01:20 GMT
383 route branding is in the process of being updated Route branding is such a waste of money. Really? Perhaps you would like to contact top notch operators in places like Reading Nottingham and Edinburgh and explain to them how they've got it all wrong..... TfL lagging behind again. |
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 29, 2020 8:56:22 GMT
383 route branding is in the process of being updated Route branding is such a waste of money. It can actually generate revenue if it is done effectively. In that respect it's no different to any other form of commercial branding. |
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Post by foxhat on Oct 29, 2020 9:15:17 GMT
Seems the 383 change from 31 Oct has now made it to TfL bus changes page TfL clearly don’t believe in the keep it simple approach, as the Saturday service starts one minute before weekday service (why bother on a half hourly bus service), is a minute difference worth a separate timetable for one day a week tfl.gov.uk/modes/buses/bus-changesThere are some poor timetabling examples out there, that said sometimes such small differences can arise from TfL operational constraints. One bus stands can be particularly troublesome for very early morning and very late night services. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2020 10:02:10 GMT
Route branding is such a waste of money. Really? Perhaps you would like to contact top notch operators in places like Reading Nottingham and Edinburgh and explain to them how they've got it all wrong..... TfL lagging behind again. London is pretty different to other places in normal times people are rushing around and just need to know a bus will arrive on time and get them to their destination. Also a lot of branding advertises promotional fares/day tickets etc again something we don't have in London.
I don't really see how branding will suddenly attract passengers?
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Post by vjaska on Oct 29, 2020 13:01:40 GMT
Really? Perhaps you would like to contact top notch operators in places like Reading Nottingham and Edinburgh and explain to them how they've got it all wrong..... TfL lagging behind again. London is pretty different to other places in normal times people are rushing around and just need to know a bus will arrive on time and get them to their destination. Also a lot of branding advertises promotional fares/day tickets etc again something we don't have in London. I don't really see how branding will suddenly attract passengers?
I wouldn't be too dismissive of it until we have a trial of route branding in London where it's not done in house but by professionals instead unlike the trial we did have. I believe the 383 branding is project in conjunction with UNO and when they had the unveiling, many people liked the branding. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Oct 29, 2020 13:22:34 GMT
London is pretty different to other places in normal times people are rushing around and just need to know a bus will arrive on time and get them to their destination. Also a lot of branding advertises promotional fares/day tickets etc again something we don't have in London. I don't really see how branding will suddenly attract passengers?
I wouldn't be too dismissive of it until we have a trial of route branding in London where it's not done in house but by professionals instead unlike the trial we did have. I believe the 383 branding is project in conjunction with UNO and when they had the unveiling, many people liked the branding. Success also depends on whether the buses are ring fenced to the particular route or not. Route branding on established routes was trialled recently in Barkingside but not all buses on each route were treated and it was not deemed a success. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 29, 2020 13:30:26 GMT
I wouldn't be too dismissive of it until we have a trial of route branding in London where it's not done in house but by professionals instead unlike the trial we did have. I believe the 383 branding is project in conjunction with UNO and when they had the unveiling, many people liked the branding. Success also depends on whether the buses are ring fenced to the particular route or not. Route branding on established routes was trialled recently in Barkingside but not all buses on each route were treated and it was not deemed a success. In reality in London you can't have every single bus treated, in Barkingside the 169s unbranded buses would often be used to top up the 145 or 62 allocations as required and should all 169 buses have been branded then those two routes would have struggled. The issue is I think in London people view buses differently, what's the point in seeing a branded bus while sat in a car when the branding is saying "every 20 minutes" on the side of a 167 when most people think a 7 minute wait is long as it is? Not to mention if you're in a car you don't need to wait 20 minutes. Also quite funny when you see a branded bus stuck in the same traffic jam as you, and then you overtake it in your car while it stops at bus stops. The Hayes one was just a farce so I'm not even going to start on that. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Oct 29, 2020 14:11:57 GMT
Success also depends on whether the buses are ring fenced to the particular route or not. Route branding on established routes was trialled recently in Barkingside but not all buses on each route were treated and it was not deemed a success. In reality in London you can't have every single bus treated, in Barkingside the 169s unbranded buses would often be used to top up the 145 or 62 allocations as required and should all 169 buses have been branded then those two routes would have struggled. The issue is I think in London people view buses differently, what's the point in seeing a branded bus while sat in a car when the branding is saying "every 20 minutes" on the side of a 167 when most people think a 7 minute wait is long as it is? Not to mention if you're in a car you don't need to wait 20 minutes. Also quite funny when you see a branded bus stuck in the same traffic jam as you, and then you overtake it in your car while it stops at bus stops. The Hayes one was just a farce so I'm not even going to start on that. 20 minutes isn't too long for a bus, and you can always time it in conjunction with your shopping. London has not really had any improvements transport wise, so let's just hope the next mayor will do some magic. |
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Post by greenboy on Oct 29, 2020 14:19:39 GMT
I wouldn't be too dismissive of it until we have a trial of route branding in London where it's not done in house but by professionals instead unlike the trial we did have. I believe the 383 branding is project in conjunction with UNO and when they had the unveiling, many people liked the branding. Success also depends on whether the buses are ring fenced to the particular route or not. Route branding on established routes was trialled recently in Barkingside but not all buses on each route were treated and it was not deemed a success. It would be interesting to know why the Barkingside trial was not deemed a success, maybe I'm a bit cynical but I think both that and the Hayes effort were half hearted from the outset. |
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