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Post by george on Jul 11, 2020 8:35:12 GMT
Not for drivers! The ones I spoken to were glad when the D stock went. What did the drivers say out of interest? The last driver I spoke to last week was saying how many drivers didn't like the C stock because they kept breaking down and was hard to fix when they broke down in service. i *Sorry meant C stock not D stock.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 11, 2020 12:40:03 GMT
I was glad they went (c stock), couldn't stand the look of them and they seemed slow I think my favourite stock on the SSL lines has to be the A stock I loved those units it's amazing they lasted 57 years (if you count the RAT) doing up to 50mph on the fast lines. I also liked the sounds they made when coming into a station even on the ELL they was good but better on the met. Out of interest why did do you think the C stock was ugly? Personally I think the was OK. I also think A stock looked ugly and scary, lol. Although I liked the A stock interior. The C stock was just an overheight 1967 stock that just did not look right imo, did not like the look of them.
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Post by richard on Jul 11, 2020 12:45:47 GMT
I think my favourite stock on the SSL lines has to be the A stock I loved those units it's amazing they lasted 57 years (if you count the RAT) doing up to 50mph on the fast lines. I also liked the sounds they made when coming into a station even on the ELL they was good but better on the met. Out of interest why did do you think the C stock was ugly? Personally I think the was OK. I also think A stock looked ugly and scary, lol. Although I liked the A stock interior. The C stock was just an overheight 1967 stock that just did not look right imo, did not like the look of them. Lol interesting you say that about the A stock I think in they looked cool.
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Post by M1104 on Jul 11, 2020 13:42:14 GMT
I loved the motor sound of the C stock, which as a kid reminded me of a sound effect used in 70's cartoons when something or someone was being stretched.
The D stock sounded like it had the same motors as the 73s, perhaps the same power output explaining why they weren't going so quick?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 16, 2020 7:08:44 GMT
The D stock sounded like it had the same motors as the 73s, perhaps the same power output explaining why going weren't so quick? 1973 and D Stock did have the same motors, only coded differently because of the mounting.
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Post by M1104 on Aug 3, 2020 11:56:17 GMT
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Post by paulsw2 on Aug 3, 2020 16:00:33 GMT
I love old fashioned trains when the C stock was getting withdrawn I always tend to wait for a C stock rather than S stock. The old stuff is always the best. Not for drivers! The ones I spoken to were glad when the D stock went. As a District Driver I miss the D stocks and to some degree the C stocks as well. S stock is in my opinion nowhere near as comfortable to drive as the D stocks and I miss having the cab door open for "fresh air" I find the S cabs tend to get stuffy if there is any heating on
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Post by george on Aug 3, 2020 16:19:52 GMT
Not for drivers! The ones I spoken to were glad when the D stock went. As a District Driver I miss the D stocks and to some degree the C stocks as well. S stock is in my opinion nowhere near as comfortable to drive as the D stocks and I miss having the cab door open for "fresh air" I find the S cabs tend to get stuffy if there is any heating on Nice to hear your opinion on them I guess other driver if different.
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Post by Alex on Aug 3, 2020 17:34:25 GMT
As a District Driver I miss the D stocks and to some degree the C stocks as well. S stock is in my opinion nowhere near as comfortable to drive as the D stocks and I miss having the cab door open for "fresh air" I find the S cabs tend to get stuffy if there is any heating on As Paul will confirm, I was a C stock driver myself (never drove a D stock) and I loved them! I still miss them and would have them back tomorrow if I could. I would agree the best way to drive in summer is an open cab door. They were much more interesting to drive than an S stock and had lots more character too. One interesting point was how variable they were (even when driving the same units from opposite ends) and no two trains behaved the same. If you had a good one, the acceleration and braking was much better than an S stock, if you had a bad one, oh dear..... I worked on the Met when A stock were around and they were wonderful old trains, I miss them too. There was a time of big change on the Met with the arrival of S stock and the timetable change which saw the all day fast services disappear (a new crew depot opened at Harrow top), it’s not been the same since (the old days were much better)...
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Post by Alex on Aug 4, 2020 1:33:58 GMT
The last driver I spoke to last week was saying how many drivers didn't like the C stock because they kept breaking down and was hard to fix when they broke down in service. Just looking at this thread again, S stock is a lot more straightforward with defect handling as most isolations can be achieved from the cab while C stock had equipment all over the place meaning you’d have to lift up seats in carriages (Cars in LUL language). There were also more situations on a C stock where you’d have to use an assisting train as you couldn’t get movement by yourself. In comparison things like an air burst on an S stock is very basic, just one set of isolations and a straight process depending if the burst is on the front or rear of the train. C stock could be front, middle or rear unit (there were 3 x 2 car units to make a six car train) as well as the possibility of a burst on the coupler face between two units! Don’t forget with the C being a Westinghouse equipped train, there were two different pressures of air for different purposes, which doubled the list of faults in that regard. C stock was totally mechanical and old school electrics and there was no tool to help diagnose a fault - you had to work it out yourself. S stock on the other hand has a screen which details train faults (and even what to do) but this doesn’t cover every eventuality. I’ve had some quite major faults on an S stock which required the train to be taken out of service and returned to the depot but no warnings or events flagged up. You still have to look to the old fashioned clues sometimes! I still prefer the old trains though, at a guess I would say about 40% of the C&H drivers would have them back. On the Met I suspect most of the Rickmansworth drivers would have A stock back, and a sizeable amount of Harrow and Neasden drivers would too. The D stock was very popular on the District, probably for Paul to say but I think many District drivers would have those back too.
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Post by george on Aug 4, 2020 9:59:59 GMT
The last driver I spoke to last week was saying how many drivers didn't like the C stock because they kept breaking down and was hard to fix when they broke down in service. Just looking at this thread again, S stock is a lot more straightforward with defect handling as most isolations can be achieved from the cab while C stock had equipment all over the place meaning you’d have to lift up seats in carriages (Cars in LUL language). There were also more situations on a C stock where you’d have to use an assisting train as you couldn’t get movement by yourself. In comparison things like an air burst on an S stock is very basic, just one set of isolations and a straight process depending if the burst is on the front or rear of the train. C stock could be front, middle or rear unit (there were 3 x 2 car units to make a six car train) as well as the possibility of a burst on the coupler face between two units! Don’t forget with the C being a Westinghouse equipped train, there were two different pressures of air for different purposes, which doubled the list of faults in that regard. C stock was totally mechanical and old school electrics and there was no tool to help diagnose a fault - you had to work it out yourself. S stock on the other hand has a screen which details train faults (and even what to do) but this doesn’t cover every eventuality. I’ve had some quite major faults on an S stock which required the train to be taken out of service and returned to the depot but no warnings or events flagged up. You still have to look to the old fashioned clues sometimes! I still prefer the old trains though, at a guess I would say about 40% of the C&H drivers would have them back. On the Met I suspect most of the Rickmansworth drivers would have A stock back, and a sizeable amount of Harrow and Neasden drivers would too. The D stock was very popular on the District, probably for Paul to say but I think many District drivers would have those back too. I think the first bit of your post is the reason why this particular driver preferred the S stock because once the C stock broke down it was very difficult to fix it yourself whereas for the S stock it's very easy or easier. I guess for most drivers that have been with LU/TfL for a long time then they might prefer the older type because they've got more character whereas the S stock is basically a moving computer but that's the way it's going at the moment.
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Post by richard on Aug 4, 2020 18:42:44 GMT
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Post by Alex on Aug 4, 2020 23:51:44 GMT
I think the first bit of your post is the reason why this particular driver preferred the S stock because once the C stock broke down it was very difficult to fix it yourself whereas for the S stock it's very easy or easier. I guess for most drivers that have been with LU/TfL for a long time then they might prefer the older type because they've got more character whereas the S stock is basically a moving computer but that's the way it's going at the moment. It’s certainly going that way with newer trains but that’s everywhere, the TfL Rail class 345s as an example, a lot of principles on those are similar to S stock (being a Bombardier train). On LUL we’ve got a mixed bag, the Bakerloo 1972 stock are here for the foreseeable future and they’re a tube sized version of a C stock (and yes, I’ve thought about nominating Elephant & Castle depot more than once). On the other side of the coin it’s looking like the Piccadilly replacement will be happening soon-ish (in the grand scheme of things) meaning another modern stock, though manually driven to existing signalling (no complaints on that from me). There are many different personalities within the T/Op grade but I am very much one for a stock which is involved and sometimes makes you get your hands dirty. More complicated stock - more driver knowledge - means our grade won’t be messed about, of course I look at my job beyond that and the main thing is we are treated professionally and deliver the best service we can to the city (sounds corny but it’s genuine, big cities all over the world have a dedicated bunch of workers who want to do their bit, it’s a real interest).
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Post by george on Aug 5, 2020 11:45:53 GMT
I think the first bit of your post is the reason why this particular driver preferred the S stock because once the C stock broke down it was very difficult to fix it yourself whereas for the S stock it's very easy or easier. I guess for most drivers that have been with LU/TfL for a long time then they might prefer the older type because they've got more character whereas the S stock is basically a moving computer but that's the way it's going at the moment. It’s certainly going that way with newer trains but that’s everywhere, the TfL Rail class 345s as an example, a lot of principles on those are similar to S stock (being a Bombardier train). On LUL we’ve got a mixed bag, the Bakerloo 1972 stock are here for the foreseeable future and they’re a tube sized version of a C stock (and yes, I’ve thought about nominating Elephant & Castle depot more than once). On the other side of the coin it’s looking like the Piccadilly replacement will be happening soon-ish (in the grand scheme of things) meaning another modern stock, though manually driven to existing signalling (no complaints on that from me). There are many different personalities within the T/Op grade but I am very much one for a stock which is involved and sometimes makes you get your hands dirty. More complicated stock - more driver knowledge - means our grade won’t be messed about, of course I look at my job beyond that and the main thing is we are treated professionally and deliver the best service we can to the city (sounds corny but it’s genuine, big cities all over the world have a dedicated bunch of workers who want to do their bit, it’s a real interest). Honestly your last statement is so true even if it is a little bit corny. I just feel sorry for all these hard working transport staff who are losing their jobs at the moment and of course anyone else in the same boat right now. It's these workers that make it all run smoothly and when something goes wrong their the ones to get it back running again.
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Post by Busboy105 on Nov 6, 2020 10:03:23 GMT
Looks like Piccadilly line trains could be getting new seats. I went on one earlier this week and it had new seats.
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