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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 2, 2021 23:00:46 GMT
I think it was mentioned that PD might be sold for redevelopment. Maybe Stagecoach will move to BV? I think it was mentioned that when/if Stagecoach have to vacate PD then the replacement garage would be on Nathan Way. I don't think that PD is closing anytime soon though if the 180 is having electric facilities installed there
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2021 23:15:27 GMT
The original WH garage at Green Gate Plaistow. Many early bus memories for me including Dockland Express Leyland Nationals running on the 241 as odd workings
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jan 3, 2021 9:12:18 GMT
The original WH garage at Green Gate Plaistow. Many early bus memories for me including Dockland Express Leyland Nationals running on the 241 as odd workings This WH had always been my favourite garage in the area, except that I preferred route 25 at BW and approved of route 5 reallocated to WH, once it had been extended (or technically diverted) to Becontree Heath.
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Post by wirewiper on Jan 3, 2021 9:22:51 GMT
The original WH garage at Green Gate Plaistow. Many early bus memories for me including Dockland Express Leyland Nationals running on the 241 as odd workings This WH had always been my favourite garage in the area, except that I preferred route 25 at BW and approved of route 5 reallocated to WH, once it had been extended (or technically diverted) to Becontree Heath. The site of the old WH is now a housing development named Routemaster Close. The depot was opened in 1906 to house the electric trams of West Ham Corporation, who used a chocolate and cream livery. Routes which operated into the County of London (West Ham was a County Borough within Essex at the time and only became a part of Greater London in 1965) were jointly operated with the LCC tramcars, and other routes were jointly operated with other Corporations in the area. The depot and its 134 trams were compulsorily acquired by the newly-formed London Passenger Transport Board in 1933 using powers granted by the 1933 London Transport Act, and trolleybuses replaced trams from 1937. Buses were phased in during 1959 and 1960, including some of the first Routemasters to enter service with London Transport. The garage closed in October 1992. The headquarters building is still standing and a war memorial commemorating employees killed in the Great War (First World War) is still in situ. www.nationaltransporttrust.org.uk/heritage-sites/heritage-detail/west-ham-tram-depot
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jan 3, 2021 9:26:42 GMT
This WH had always been my favourite garage in the area, except that I preferred route 25 at BW and approved of route 5 reallocated to WH, once it had been extended (or technically diverted) to Becontree Heath. The site of the old WH is now a housing development named Routemaster Close. The depot was opened in 1903 to house the electric trams of West Ham Corporation, who used a chocolate and cream livery. Routes which operated into the County of London (West Ham was a County Borough within Essex at the time and only became a part of Greater London in 1965) were jointly operated with the LCC tramcars, and other routes were jointly operated with other Corporations in the area. The Depot and its 134 trams were compulsorily acquired by the newly-formed London Passenger Transport Board in 1933 using powers granted by the 1933 London Transport Act, and trolleybuses replaced trams from 1937. Buses were phased in during 1959 and 1960, including some of the first Routemasters to enter service with London Transport. The garage closed in October 1992. IIRC it was the award of routes 257 & 296 to Capital Citybus which saw off WH. This now feels all the more of a waste as these routes are now Stagecoach, successors to LBL East London.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2021 17:46:26 GMT
Could even replace EB since the number of routes have been reduced? Would also be closer to routes such as the 463. Why would you replace EB when a lot of money has been spent on modernising EB over the years. Not only that but replacing EB with a smaller yard would not only decrease any chance of RATP having an increased presence in the South West but probably require higher rent being within London unlike EB. I think EB will play an important role in the Sutton area tenders. Hopefully it will one day replicate the success of PB.
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Post by TB123 on Jan 3, 2021 18:02:32 GMT
Or a small base/outstation for RATP/Quality Line. Could even replace EB since the number of routes have been reduced? Would also be closer to routes such as the 463. It would only be able to hold about 50 buses - which is less than Epsom presently has. And it would also require substantial investment to bring it up to the standard of a modern bus garage fit for electrification - Epsom meanwhile is well geared up to be an electric bus garage.
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Jan 3, 2021 18:12:35 GMT
Why would you replace EB when a lot of money has been spent on modernising EB over the years. Not only that but replacing EB with a smaller yard would not only decrease any chance of RATP having an increased presence in the South West but probably require higher rent being within London unlike EB. I think EB will play an important role in the Sutton area tenders. Hopefully it will one day replicate the success of PB. RATP seem to be making some great strategic moves on gaining new work for their garages, so you could be right. I don't think Epsom has operated a high frequency route before. It would be interesting to see route 93 under RATP's operation for example.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 3, 2021 18:35:59 GMT
I think EB will play an important role in the Sutton area tenders. Hopefully it will one day replicate the success of PB. RATP seem to be making some great strategic moves on gaining new work for their garages, so you could be right. I don't think Epsom has operated a high frequency route before. It would be interesting to see route 93 under RATP's operation for example. I think RATP are in the process of slimming down EB to a "skeleton operation" where routes and staff required to operate it are minimal, a lot like how HH is at the moment. I imagine this then allows them to fire up the garage back to full operation should they be extremely successful in tenders in the area. This allows them to keep costs to a minimum until profit from won work outweighs operating costs of a fully operational EB.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2021 20:36:03 GMT
RATP seem to be making some great strategic moves on gaining new work for their garages, so you could be right. I don't think Epsom has operated a high frequency route before. It would be interesting to see route 93 under RATP's operation for example. I think RATP are in the process of slimming down EB to a "skeleton operation" where routes and staff required to operate it are minimal, a lot like how HH is at the moment. I imagine this then allows them to fire up the garage back to full operation should they be extremely successful in tenders in the area. This allows them to keep costs to a minimum until profit from won work outweighs operating costs of a fully operational EB. I hope that’s what the long game is. Certainly makes no sense getting rid of it. We know they are committed as otherwise the 463 , and 404 before that, would have probably been lost. I hope they keep the 413 , which will end up with a bigger pvr than now given the Belmont proposal.
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Post by law123 on Jan 3, 2021 21:49:53 GMT
Hornchurch (RD)
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Post by LJ17THF on Jan 3, 2021 22:13:00 GMT
I think RATP are in the process of slimming down EB to a "skeleton operation" where routes and staff required to operate it are minimal, a lot like how HH is at the moment. I imagine this then allows them to fire up the garage back to full operation should they be extremely successful in tenders in the area. This allows them to keep costs to a minimum until profit from won work outweighs operating costs of a fully operational EB. I hope that’s what the long game is. Certainly makes no sense getting rid of it. We know they are committed as otherwise the 463 , and 404 before that, would have probably been lost. I hope they keep the 413 , which will end up with a bigger pvr than now given the Belmont proposal. Yes, it's a massive garage with lots of facilities, so it would be a waste of disposing it, especially with how well located it is, close to Sutton and Croydon (at a bit of a push), where it is competitive, but a few tenders could be won here and there.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 6, 2021 2:28:24 GMT
The site of the old WH is now a housing development named Routemaster Close. The depot was opened in 1903 to house the electric trams of West Ham Corporation, who used a chocolate and cream livery. Routes which operated into the County of London (West Ham was a County Borough within Essex at the time and only became a part of Greater London in 1965) were jointly operated with the LCC tramcars, and other routes were jointly operated with other Corporations in the area. The Depot and its 134 trams were compulsorily acquired by the newly-formed London Passenger Transport Board in 1933 using powers granted by the 1933 London Transport Act, and trolleybuses replaced trams from 1937. Buses were phased in during 1959 and 1960, including some of the first Routemasters to enter service with London Transport. The garage closed in October 1992. IIRC it was the award of routes 257 & 296 to Capital Citybus which saw off WH. This now feels all the more of a waste as these routes are now Stagecoach, successors to LBL East London. I would hardly say so. As 296 operated no where near [WH] and it was more the case of preparation for [SD] that killed it. The Ilford area changed in 1993 killed [AP]. The 257 left [WH] long before it closed, it started with them as it was the northern half of route 262 split as 262 had run from East Beckton to Walthamstow Central. 257 then ended up at [T] before the route was lost to Capital Citybus who put those nasty looking E and F reg East Lancs bodied Dennis Dominators. Shortly after [WH] was closed [SD] was started, so in part it was one of the reasons where a lot of the routes went to hoppa with reduced pay. [SD] started as a single deck only garage as I remember it was called a midi bus base. It also took in single deck routes from [BW] and then. [SD] was not a traditional garage as it was some derelict industrial unit. The 30 after going to [T] after a short stint at [BW] was then dumped at [SD] in the late 90's. It later had 26 transferred then when 106 was converted to double deck it then had its 3rd decker route.
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Post by M1104 on Jan 6, 2021 12:15:32 GMT
What was formerly Carshalton Depot (CN) on Westmead Road is now used by access storage. Should they ever vacate.... It would make the perfect outstation for A if Access do ever leave. Even more so now lol
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Post by greg on Jan 6, 2021 16:24:26 GMT
I think EB will play an important role in the Sutton area tenders. Hopefully it will one day replicate the success of PB. RATP seem to be making some great strategic moves on gaining new work for their garages, so you could be right. I don't think Epsom has operated a high frequency route before. It would be interesting to see route 93 under RATP's operation for example. Oh how the tables turn 😳
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