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Post by uakari on Jul 24, 2020 9:58:03 GMT
With all due respect, they have addressed that specific point a number of times: they believe (rightly or wrongly) that the current extra journey time between Cockfosters and Barnet of about 10 minutes to serve the back streets makes the route very unattractive for through journeys and that reducing journey times by removing those bits of the route will consequently attract more passengers to the route, which is currently not very well used. They predict the package of changes will lead to 30% more patronage for the same cost. There has to be a distinction drawn between not agreeing with what TfL do or what points they make and accepting that they have considered these issues and simply rejected the arguments that have been made. Incidentally, the 186 continuing to serve Northwick Park Hospital was another significant change in NW London that arose directly from public consultation. Anyway, moving back to the topic, it'd be interesting to hear what other bus lanes people would like to see 24 hour. A41 and A406 are my nominations. In my dreams I would like to see an A41 bus lane extended northwards from Childs Hill to at least Brent X. The problem is though that the consultation used guidelines that no other consultation before or after has used such as distance between bus stop and homes where all of a sudden, a figure of 450m turned up as apposed to the 400m figure which has been used every time before & after. This creates a perfectly reasonable image for people that TfL have simply moved the goalposts to get the proposal through and also creates the view expressed by uakari which is why I can see exactly where he is coming from even if I only agree to a certain point. The other issue you have is the consultation report clearly shows people are opposed to the 384 proposal and they also make it clear the changes to the 384 affect their journey. The only thing that they're not too concerned about is the relocation of the bus stop at High Barnet - where does the time come when these views are taken in account? You also mention it's currently not well used - it's patronage stats for 2016-17 (I don't have the most recent ones at hand) show it at just under 800,000 which, if I use a local example in the form of the 315, is higher by roughly 200,000 and I can tell you for a fact that the 315 is used well. EDIT: I've found the newer statistics - the 384 has dropped by 100,000 over 2 years although the majority of the drop happened between 2017-18 & 2018-19 so whilst that is obviously concerning, it also fit's with the current trend of the network in general and it's still pulling in more people than a number of other routes that do have good usage and is still above the 315 but only by 2,000. I don't think looking at removing the 384's residential sections will solve this issue either - it's certainly plausible that other factors might be at play. I know this thread isn't about the 384, but just to add that we now know they were already having meeetings about withdrawing the 384 roads in 2017, when they also reduced the frequency from every 15 minutes to every 20 minutes. So it's reasonable to conclude they did that deliberately to reduce demand, so they could then justify withdrawing the service altogether from the affected roads.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jul 24, 2020 13:38:53 GMT
I'd prefer more bus lanes to be implemented frankly
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2020 11:16:06 GMT
Update 2 September 2020 In July 2020 we announced proposals to trial extending operating hours to all bus lanes on London’s red routes (also known as the Transport for London Road Network or TLRN) to 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
We ran a statutory consultation on these proposals from 21 July to 4 August 2020. During this period, we discussed our proposal with London’s boroughs, and listened to public and stakeholder feedback. We have now reviewed feedback following the statutory consultation and have decided to proceed with this trial.
From 13 September 2020, bus lane operating hours will change to 24 hours a day, seven days a week on London’s red routes.
For more information on the rationale for the trial and feedback received during the statutory consultation click here.
The bus lanes included in the trial are on red routes located in the boroughs of: Brent, Bromley, City of London, Camden, Croydon, Enfield, Greenwich, Hackney, Haringey, Hounslow, Islington, Kensington & Chelsea, Lambeth, Lewisham, Merton, Southwark, Sutton, Tower Hamlets, Wandsworth and Westminster.
Parking bays to be suspended
Please see the following link detailing which parking bays will be suspended during the trial. Please note that this is subject to change pending final review. On-street signage will also be in place to identify suspended bays.
24 hour bus lane parking suspensions (PDF 71KB)
The trial of 24/7 bus lanes will be in place for at least six months to ensure we have enough time to properly monitor the effectiveness of the trial and any impacts.
We want to hear your experiences
Whether you’re a bus passenger, a business owner, resident or someone who has been using the bus lanes to cycle more – we want to hear about your experiences once bus lanes on the Transport for London Road Network are operating 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
Your feedback will be an important part of our monitoring and evaluation of the trial and will help us decide if any of the bus lanes should permanently operate 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
On 13 September we will open an engagement survey on this web site.
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Post by rugbyref on Sept 4, 2020 20:22:13 GMT
There is one bus lane on Bromley Common with the signage totally blocked by foliage. If the timing is extended, the signage needs to be revealed and highlighted.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 5, 2020 0:20:47 GMT
There is one bus lane on Bromley Common with the signage totally blocked by foliage. If the timing is extended, the signage needs to be revealed and highlighted. I agree, they should do that but I'm skeptical as to whether they will change any of the signs - is the Bromley Common one on a red route as that's what they're focusing on?
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Post by uakari on Sept 10, 2020 18:32:52 GMT
Wasn't there a suggestion a while back about creating express buses between town centres, from Zone 5/6 to Zone 1 and orbitally?
I was wondering whether this bus lane consultation might be a prelude to something like that but maybe not. I can definitely think of a few corridors that would benefit from express buses, especially ones along main roads that don't shadow the tube or only have slow rail connections to a terminus.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 19:28:51 GMT
Wasn't there a suggestion a while back about creating express buses between town centres, from Zone 5/6 to Zone 1 and orbitally? I was wondering whether this bus lane consultation might be a prelude to something like that but maybe not. I can definitely think of a few corridors that would benefit from express buses, especially ones along main roads that don't shadow the tube or only have slow rail connections to a terminus. It may be more preferable to some commuters during the pandemic. Easier to social distance when boarding is controlled.
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