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Post by galwhv69 on Sept 20, 2020 10:19:42 GMT
Ah yes, would also count those 3. Also forgot about Rosendale Road & Park Hall Road and Telford Avenue & Thornton Avenue The one in Thornton/Clapham Park is Atkins Road, Clarence Avenue, Weir Road & Thornton Road Lol that's definitely not a lot Only around 7 (well probably a few more but still definitely not a lot) I can think of two more. The Paxton Green Roundabout in Gipsy Hill and the mini roundabout slightly further ahead on Dulwich Wood Park. I believe the Paxton Green roundabout is the only large sized roundabout in Lambeth bar the Lambeth Bridge roundabouts Thought the Paxton Green & the Dulwich Wood Park ones were in Southwark?
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Post by Unorm on Sept 20, 2020 14:51:51 GMT
I can think of two more. The Paxton Green Roundabout in Gipsy Hill and the mini roundabout slightly further ahead on Dulwich Wood Park. I believe the Paxton Green roundabout is the only large sized roundabout in Lambeth bar the Lambeth Bridge roundabouts Thought the Paxton Green & the Dulwich Wood Park ones were in Southwark? I was convinced those were Lambeth but looking at Google Maps and images of Southwark's map, those roundabouts are Southwark. Images of Lambeth's map makes it a little harder to spot. The border of Lambeth/Southwark takes up (South) Croxted Road and part of Gipsy Hill, making Dulwich Wood Park entirely Southwark.
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Post by Busboy105 on Sept 20, 2020 15:39:38 GMT
N5 and the N20 are the only night routes that doesn’t follow their daytime counterparts. The N550 and the N551 are the only night routes that don’t have a daytime counterpart (I basically mean there’s no 550 and 551.)
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Post by enviroPB on Sept 20, 2020 15:43:10 GMT
N5 and the N20 are the only night routes that doesn’t follow their daytime counterparts. The N550 and the N551 are the only night routes that don’t have a daytime counterpart (I basically mean there’s no 550 and 551.) Add the N97 to that list
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Post by Busboy105 on Sept 20, 2020 15:50:51 GMT
N5 and the N20 are the only night routes that doesn’t follow their daytime counterparts. The N550 and the N551 are the only night routes that don’t have a daytime counterpart (I basically mean there’s no 550 and 551.) Add the N97 to that list Ah yes that too. Did those night routes have a daily counterpart that went alongside them?
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Post by abellion on Sept 20, 2020 16:09:06 GMT
Add the N97 to that list Ah yes that too. Did those night routes have a daily counterpart that went alongside them? I think the N5 and N20 were made around the Northern Line and the N550/N551 with the DLR although I might be wrong
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 20, 2020 17:50:13 GMT
N5 and the N20 are the only night routes that doesn’t follow their daytime counterparts. The N550 and the N551 are the only night routes that don’t have a daytime counterpart (I basically mean there’s no 550 and 551.) I would argue that the N5 and N20 don't actually have daytime counterparts, as they have no connection with routes 5 and 20 and never have had - they were actually designed to mirror the Northern Line rather than any daytime bus routes. I have heard the suggestion that at one time it was proposed to renumber Night Bus routes that did not have a daytime equivalent over at least part of the route would be renumbered in the N5xx series (like the N550 and N551), with the N5 and N20 possibly becoming the N505 and N520. I am surprised the N97 still survives and wasn't swallowed up by revisions to other night routes.
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 20, 2020 18:00:30 GMT
Which route has the most consistent timetable? The 146 operates once an hour for all of the time it operates. The 422 also is 8-12 minutes from 8am-1am. The 146 isn't quite that consistent, there are some 65 or 70 minute gaps between departures. Also the Monday-Friday, Saturday and Sunday departures do not quite align and the Sunday morning service doesn't start until 09.31. www.londonbusroutes.net/times/146.htm
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Post by greg on Sept 20, 2020 19:17:40 GMT
Which route has the most consistent timetable? The 146 operates once an hour for all of the time it operates. The 422 also is 8-12 minutes from 8am-1am. The 31 runs every 10 minutes the whole day. Think the N31 is every 20-30.
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Post by Busboy105 on Sept 20, 2020 19:58:12 GMT
N5 and the N20 are the only night routes that doesn’t follow their daytime counterparts. The N550 and the N551 are the only night routes that don’t have a daytime counterpart (I basically mean there’s no 550 and 551.) I would argue that the N5 and N20 don't actually have daytime counterparts, as they have no connection with routes 5 and 20 and never have had - they were actually designed to mirror the Northern Line rather than any daytime bus routes. I have heard the suggestion that at one time it was proposed to renumber Night Bus routes that did not have a daytime equivalent over at least part of the route would be renumbered in the N5xx series (like the N550 and N551), with the N5 and N20 possibly becoming the N505 and N520. I am surprised the N97 still survives and wasn't swallowed up by revisions to other night routes. The N5 and the N20 don’t have daytime counterparts, that’s why I said it. If they were made to mirror the Northern Line, wouldn’t be better in the daytime. So if there was major issues on the Northern Line, these services would benefit.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 20, 2020 20:35:16 GMT
I would argue that the N5 and N20 don't actually have daytime counterparts, as they have no connection with routes 5 and 20 and never have had - they were actually designed to mirror the Northern Line rather than any daytime bus routes. I have heard the suggestion that at one time it was proposed to renumber Night Bus routes that did not have a daytime equivalent over at least part of the route would be renumbered in the N5xx series (like the N550 and N551), with the N5 and N20 possibly becoming the N505 and N520. I am surprised the N97 still survives and wasn't swallowed up by revisions to other night routes. The N5 and the N20 don’t have daytime counterparts, that’s why I said it. If they were made to mirror the Northern Line, wouldn’t be better in the daytime. So if there was major issues on the Northern Line, these services would benefit. When the N5 & N20 were created, there was no such thing as a night time service on the tube and even before Covid, there wasn't one during the week - during the day, other routes serve the many Northern Line stations anyway so no point in having daytime counterparts to those routes as your just merely duplicating other routes.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 20, 2020 20:42:13 GMT
Ah yes that too. Did those night routes have a daily counterpart that went alongside them? I think the N5 and N20 were made around the Northern Line and the N550/N551 with the DLR although I might be wrong The N550 & N551 were created in 2008 from the N50 which ran Trafalgar Square to Gallions Reach Retail Park via Isle of Dogs - presumably in 2008, they decided operationally it wasn't ideal and split it into two routes with the N550 serving Isle of Dogs and terminating at Canning Town whilst the N551 stays on the A13 and then heads towards Gallions Reach. From what I can tell, the only major difference between the N50 & N550/N551 was that the N50 ran via Victoria Embankment rather than Strand & Fleet Street up to Blackfriars
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Post by kmkcheng on Sept 20, 2020 21:02:41 GMT
The N5 and the N20 don’t have daytime counterparts, that’s why I said it. If they were made to mirror the Northern Line, wouldn’t be better in the daytime. So if there was major issues on the Northern Line, these services would benefit. That’s the whole point of the mirroring of the Northern Line at night, to provide the service when the line doesn’t run at night. Duplicating the Northern line during the day would be a waste of resources which could be better used to provide links that isn’t covered by tube or rail. I don’t think we would having this conversation if the N5 and N20 were renumbered like other night routes that duplicate underground lines although I finding it difficult what they could be renumbered as neither routes follow any daytime counterpart fully. I suppose N20 could become N263 but it takes a different route between East and North Finchley, and south of Archway so using N263 as a number may cause confusion with passengers. N5 is even more difficult as it doesn’t follow any day route significantly to claim their number
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Post by ian on Sept 21, 2020 7:57:07 GMT
I think N5 and N20 were originally branded 'Northern Line' even on the blinds. (And if I recall correctly, N20 was actually originally N1). I remember using the N5 many times in its early days with woefully irregular service; there was then suddenly a point around 2000ish when it became hugely popular and frequent.
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Post by redexpress on Sept 21, 2020 8:11:41 GMT
I think the N5 and N20 were made around the Northern Line and the N550/N551 with the DLR although I might be wrong The N550 & N551 were created in 2008 from the N50 which ran Trafalgar Square to Gallions Reach Retail Park via Isle of Dogs - presumably in 2008, they decided operationally it wasn't ideal and split it into two routes with the N550 serving Isle of Dogs and terminating at Canning Town whilst the N551 stays on the A13 and then heads towards Gallions Reach. From what I can tell, the only major difference between the N50 & N550/N551 was that the N50 ran via Victoria Embankment rather than Strand & Fleet Street up to Blackfriars N550 also ran via Embankment at first. In fact when created it was just a shortened version of the N50. It was diverted via Strand / Fleet Street temporarily a few years ago, before the diversion was made permanent. The N551 ran via Strand / Fleet Street from the outset.
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