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Post by wirewiper on Aug 28, 2020 13:32:04 GMT
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Post by ibus246 on Aug 28, 2020 14:13:03 GMT
From what I read earlier in the week, it appeared to receive quite a negative and critical response |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 14:38:24 GMT
From what I read earlier in the week, it appeared to receive quite a negative and critical response Is also saw a lot of criticism, ironically from the LGBT community. As a member I had no problem with the train although I’ve already held strong feeling against certain events. |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 28, 2020 17:33:40 GMT
From what I read earlier in the week, it appeared to receive quite a negative and critical response I’m not a member myself but even as a heterosexual, it’s quite sad personally - I thought we were in 2020 rather than 1950. |
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 28, 2020 17:54:33 GMT
From what I read earlier in the week, it appeared to receive quite a negative and critical response I’m not a member myself but even as a heterosexual, it’s quite sad personally - I thought we were in 2020 rather than 1950. Yes I don't know why so much attention is paid to the views of the likes of Julia Hartley-Brewer. She didn't even respect Avanti's press release embargo, when it is standard journalistic courtesy and practice to do so. |
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Post by greenboy on Aug 28, 2020 18:04:48 GMT
I’m not a member myself but even as a heterosexual, it’s quite sad personally - I thought we were in 2020 rather than 1950. Yes I don't know why so much attention is paid to the views of the likes of Julia Hartley-Brewer. She didn't even respect Avanti's press release embargo, when it is standard journalistic courtesy and practice to do so. Well of course Julia H-B is as entitled to her opinion as anyone else is including many LGBT members who seem to be equally unimpressed....... www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8665469/amp/Avanti-West-Coasts-pride-train-sparks-fury-LGBT-passengers.html |
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Post by snowman on Aug 28, 2020 19:08:51 GMT
I think Avanti have misjudged this, singling out a subset of the population and promoting them is not very clever. We should be treating everyone the same, in a multi-cultural diverse society everyone should get same respect. No group should be deemed more important than others because of their choices/preferences, similarly no group should be ranked at bottom |
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Post by routew15 on Aug 28, 2020 22:31:12 GMT
Whilst i do like this train, I do think Avanti has made to big a deal of the Pride train. I think subtlety is key (i.e. how most other operators do pride trains), big overstatement trains like this can feel gimmicky.
In my opinion, i do feel Avanti are trying to prove they are just as “cool” “modern” “woke” and “casual” as there predecessor (Virgin Trains) with these kind of antics, but really they just need focus on customer service and punctuality for people to really start noticing them.
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 29, 2020 17:43:33 GMT
I think Avanti have misjudged this, singling out a subset of the population and promoting them is not very clever. We should be treating everyone the same, in a multi-cultural diverse society everyone should get same respect. No group should be deemed more important than others because of their choices/preferences, similarly no group should be ranked at bottom We should indeed be treating everyone the same and giving everyone the same respect. But just as the Black Lives Matter movement shows, this is patently not happening. As a LGBT+ activist replied when asked why there isn't a Straight Pride: "No-one gets beaten up in the street just because they're straight". |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 29, 2020 18:46:32 GMT
I think Avanti have misjudged this, singling out a subset of the population and promoting them is not very clever. We should be treating everyone the same, in a multi-cultural diverse society everyone should get same respect. No group should be deemed more important than others because of their choices/preferences, similarly no group should be ranked at bottom We should indeed be treating everyone the same and giving everyone the same respect. But just as the Black Lives Matter movement shows, this is patently not happening. As a LGBT+ activist replied when asked why there isn't a Straight Pride: "No-one gets beaten up in the street just because they're straight". Agree although not compared to Black Lives Movement - there are better ways to combat racism which is sick & evil in case anyone wants to suggest otherwise but thats a completely different topic and one I want to stay fully out of so I'll say no more on that one. But yes, as a straight man, I can easily go professing my love for the opposite sex without much recrimination (except for those jealous few  ) whereas this isn't always true for LGBT+ people and in order to get equailty, we have to get to a place where people can freely walk down the street without recrimination or prejudice regardless of race, sexuality or even gender. |
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Post by N230UD on Aug 30, 2020 15:56:17 GMT
Some of the comments I see prove why a lot more needs to be done for equality with LGBT+ people. So what if Avanti are being "woke"? (I can't actually see what is wrong with being "woke"), even in 2020 there are still many LGBT+ people who feel they have to hide their true identity because of society's remaining prejudices. Some people who have seen the train, or the publicity of it, may just be nudged into thinking 'maybe I should open up about my sexuality'. I know that some openly LGBT+ people feel scared about using public transport because of homophobic attacks, so this may encourage them to feel safer on public transport - and of course, public transport use needs all the encouragement it can get at the moment.
From other comments i've seen, the Pride train seems to have been really appreciated by LGBT+ railway staff and transport enthusiasts, and non-enthusiasts too. Of course there are some LGBT+ who may have good reasons to disagree with it, and I can understand why, but of course the Daily Mail is only going to focus on those who don't like it.
On another note, is this really the first Pride train? I thought there was a Thameslink one a while ago.
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Post by greenboy on Aug 30, 2020 18:15:39 GMT
Some of the comments I see prove why a lot more needs to be done for equality with LGBT+ people. So what if Avanti are being "woke"? (I can't actually see what is wrong with being "woke"), even in 2020 there are still many LGBT+ people who feel they have to hide their true identity because of society's remaining prejudices. Some people who have seen the train, or the publicity of it, may just nudge them to think 'maybe I should open up about my sexuality'. I know that some openly LGBT+ people feel scared about using public transport because of homophobic attacks, so this may encourage them to feel safer on public transport - and of course, public transport use needs all the encouragement it can get at the moment. From other comments i've seen, the Pride train seems to have been really appreciated by LGBT+ railway staff and transport enthusiasts, and non-enthusiasts too. Of course there are some LGBT+ who may have good reasons to disagree with it, and I can understand why, but of course the Daily Mail is only going to focus on those who don't like it. On another note, is this really the first Pride train? I thought there was a Thameslink one a while ago. So you like the train but you don't like some of the comments it attracted? Well I'm afraid you can't have it both ways and there's been a significant amount of criticism from the LGBT community. I genuinely struggle to understand what Avanti were hoping to achieve. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 18:30:13 GMT
Some of the comments I see prove why a lot more needs to be done for equality with LGBT+ people. So what if Avanti are being "woke"? (I can't actually see what is wrong with being "woke"), even in 2020 there are still many LGBT+ people who feel they have to hide their true identity because of society's remaining prejudices. Some people who have seen the train, or the publicity of it, may just nudge them to think 'maybe I should open up about my sexuality'. I know that some openly LGBT+ people feel scared about using public transport because of homophobic attacks, so this may encourage them to feel safer on public transport - and of course, public transport use needs all the encouragement it can get at the moment. From other comments i've seen, the Pride train seems to have been really appreciated by LGBT+ railway staff and transport enthusiasts, and non-enthusiasts too. Of course there are some LGBT+ who may have good reasons to disagree with it, and I can understand why, but of course the Daily Mail is only going to focus on those who don't like it. On another note, is this really the first Pride train? I thought there was a Thameslink one a while ago. So you like the train but you don't like some of the comments it attracted? Well I'm afraid you can't have it both ways and there's been a significant amount of criticism from the LGBT community. I genuinely struggle to understand what Avanti were hoping to achieve. Just to be honest, the LGBTQ+ community is not as inclusive as everyone thinks. |
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Post by N230UD on Aug 30, 2020 19:59:06 GMT
Some of the comments I see prove why a lot more needs to be done for equality with LGBT+ people. So what if Avanti are being "woke"? (I can't actually see what is wrong with being "woke"), even in 2020 there are still many LGBT+ people who feel they have to hide their true identity because of society's remaining prejudices. Some people who have seen the train, or the publicity of it, may just nudge them to think 'maybe I should open up about my sexuality'. I know that some openly LGBT+ people feel scared about using public transport because of homophobic attacks, so this may encourage them to feel safer on public transport - and of course, public transport use needs all the encouragement it can get at the moment. From other comments i've seen, the Pride train seems to have been really appreciated by LGBT+ railway staff and transport enthusiasts, and non-enthusiasts too. Of course there are some LGBT+ who may have good reasons to disagree with it, and I can understand why, but of course the Daily Mail is only going to focus on those who don't like it. On another note, is this really the first Pride train? I thought there was a Thameslink one a while ago. So you like the train but you don't like some of the comments it attracted? Well I'm afraid you can't have it both ways and there's been a significant amount of criticism from the LGBT community. I genuinely struggle to understand what Avanti were hoping to achieve. Yes I like the train, and no I don't like some of the comments it attracted. Your point is? What do you mean I can't have it both ways? The vast majority of comments I have seen have been positive, although of course the right-wing media such as the Daily Mail only focuses on the negative comments. There are some valid points against the livery, but there is also a lot of ignorant homophobic comments too. Why do you struggle to understand why Avanti have done this? Clearly it is mainly for publicity and marketing, but in my opinion it does also do its bit to promote inclusivity. But of course, there will always be some who are sadly against inclusivity. |
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Post by N230UD on Aug 30, 2020 20:04:45 GMT
So you like the train but you don't like some of the comments it attracted? Well I'm afraid you can't have it both ways and there's been a significant amount of criticism from the LGBT community. I genuinely struggle to understand what Avanti were hoping to achieve. Just to be honest, the LGBTQ+ community is not as inclusive as everyone thinks. Not everyone in a group of people is going to agree with everything, and will have different opinions. I agree, there are some people in the community who are not inclusive, but not everyone is the same. On the whole though, I think the LGBT+ community is largely more inclusive and less judgemental than society as a whole. |
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) whereas this isn't always true for LGBT+ people and in order to get equailty, we have to get to a place where people can freely walk down the street without recrimination or prejudice regardless of race, sexuality or even gender.
