CrossRail being delayed and recent bus changes?

[route53]

In light of CrossRail being delayed to 2022/23, should the central London bus cutbacks be reversed?

Re-extend the 25 to Oxford Street, and even re-extended the 53 back to Whitehall, restore the 171 to Holborn and perhaps a return to the route 48?

In light of social distancing too surely it might be better to have more buses terminating in the West End rather than having customers change buses?

[vjaska]

Sept 4, 2020 22:41:30 GMT route53 said:

In light of CrossRail being delayed to 2022/23, should the central London bus cutbacks be reversed?

Re-extend the 25 to Oxford Street, and even re-extended the 53 back to Whitehall, restore the 171 to Holborn and perhaps a return to the route 48?

In light of social distancing too surely it might be better to have more buses terminating in the West End rather than having customers change buses?

Yes to three of those above bus routes - the 25 I wouldn't get back as far as Oxford Circus (I'd do the 8 instead) but at least to somewhere more useful like Holborn where you can actually change onto a Oxford Circus bound bus unlike at Holborn Circus/City Thameslink

[greenboy]

Sept 4, 2020 22:41:30 GMT route53 said:

In light of CrossRail being delayed to 2022/23, should the central London bus cutbacks be reversed?

Re-extend the 25 to Oxford Street, and even re-extended the 53 back to Whitehall, restore the 171 to Holborn and perhaps a return to the route 48?

In light of social distancing too surely it might be better to have more buses terminating in the West End rather than having customers change buses?

I think there is a case for extending the 25 at least to Holborn Station or TCR but not the others which weren't connected to Crossrail anyway.

[southlondonbus]

Tbh the 48 and 171 were not really Crossrail related and were felt had excess capacity so probably wouldn't be reversed.

The 25 in my opinion should have waited like the 427 is till Crossrail actually opens. Atleast as far as TCR. Now the freq is alot less it could have easily used the ex 134 stand.

[LondonNorthern]

route53 the 25 should really go back to Holborn permanently.

The 53 I would prefer be extended to Lambeth palace to better serve St Thomas' Hospital. Not so sure about the 171 though, maybe there could be a massive reform where the 40 goes back to Aldgate, the 45 to St Paul's, the 172 goes to Holborn and the 171 maybe goes back to Aldwych at least??

[greg]

Sept 4, 2020 22:41:30 GMT route53 said:

In light of CrossRail being delayed to 2022/23, should the central London bus cutbacks be reversed?

Re-extend the 25 to Oxford Street, and even re-extended the 53 back to Whitehall, restore the 171 to Holborn and perhaps a return to the route 48?

In light of social distancing too surely it might be better to have more buses terminating in the West End rather than having customers change buses?

I’d bring the 25 back to Oxford Street, it was used so well and puts a lot of pressure on the 55. It would also be welcoming and very helpful to bring the Oxford Street-Westfield Stratford link back. I know its been a while but I always feel the 25’s original loads will come back to the route, it still gets extremely busy between Forest Gate and Aldgate.

[greg]

Sept 5, 2020 8:36:09 GMT LondonNorthern said:

route53 the 25 should really go back to Holborn permanently.

The 53 I would prefer be extended to Lambeth palace to better serve St Thomas' Hospital. Not so sure about the 171 though, maybe there could be a massive reform where the 40 goes back to Aldgate, the 45 to St Paul's, the 172 goes to Holborn and the 171 maybe goes back to Aldwych at least??

I agree with this, 40 to Aldgate, 45 to Aldwych, 172 to Holborn and 171 to S’t Paul’s instead.

[LondonNorthern]

Sept 5, 2020 8:52:54 GMT greg said:

Sept 4, 2020 22:41:30 GMT route53 said:

In light of CrossRail being delayed to 2022/23, should the central London bus cutbacks be reversed?

Re-extend the 25 to Oxford Street, and even re-extended the 53 back to Whitehall, restore the 171 to Holborn and perhaps a return to the route 48?

In light of social distancing too surely it might be better to have more buses terminating in the West End rather than having customers change buses?

I’d bring the 25 back to Oxford Street, it was used so well and puts a lot of pressure on the 55. It would also be welcoming and very helpful to bring the Oxford Street-Westfield Stratford link back. I know its been a while but I always feel the 25’s original loads will come back to the route, it still gets extremely busy between Forest Gate and Aldgate.

Now I'm all for an extension back to Oxford Circus issues are however that if the pedestrian scheme goes ahead it could cause traffic and stand space to be an issue, keeping it at New Oxford Street means that you can have a same stop interchange with the 55 & 98.

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I do have to scratch my head here sometimes - One minute its being suggested to cut major trunk routes then its reinstating routes cut back.

I was really against the 25 being cut back from Oxford Circus but its done now and think it would only causes problems down the line if reintroduced after nearly two years only to be withdrawn again once the Elizabeth line opens. Passengers seem to have adapted to the change and during this time the 8 has been cut back a lot of the time to Holborn. Don't get me wrong I find it very frustrating to change buses at City Thames Link but it is what it is.

I think the bus network should be left as it is for at least 6 months to see how things pan out with the pandemic, we are seeing a gradual return to public transport which is really positive and hopefully distancing measures will be relaxed further in a few months meaning more passengers can board buses.

[southlondonbus]

I think the 25 would probably be just a little bit too long to still be Ilford to Oxford Circus especially at the moment with so much cycling provision added to roads. I'd sooner advocate the 8 being re extended to Oxo now the pedestrianisation is off the table.

[vjaska]

Sept 5, 2020 8:55:02 GMT greg said:

Sept 5, 2020 8:36:09 GMT LondonNorthern said:

route53 the 25 should really go back to Holborn permanently.

The 53 I would prefer be extended to Lambeth palace to better serve St Thomas' Hospital. Not so sure about the 171 though, maybe there could be a massive reform where the 40 goes back to Aldgate, the 45 to St Paul's, the 172 goes to Holborn and the 171 maybe goes back to Aldwych at least??

I agree with this, 40 to Aldgate, 45 to Aldwych, 172 to Holborn and 171 to S’t Paul’s instead.

The 45 to Aldwych doesn’t make much sense, it brings nothing new to the table. Brixton already has the more direct 59 to Waterloo & Aldwych whilst the 68 already links Walworth & Camberwell with Waterloo & Aldwych. Either the 45 goes back over it’s old routing as far as Clerkenwell Green (with the 40 back to Aldgate) or extends eastwards towards Canada Water.

[rift]

I feel like Oxford Circus to Ilford was quite a stretch even then, so maybe for the 25’s situation, a new route from Mile End to Marble Arch via the old 25 could be introduced?

The 53, while not linked to Crossrail, should’ve never been cutback until the line opened to soften the blow of the cut

[John tuthill]

Sept 5, 2020 13:11:50 GMT rift said:

I feel like Oxford Circus to Ilford was quite a stretch even then, so maybe for the 25’s situation, a new route from Mile End to Marble Arch via the old 25 could be introduced?

Look at the times in 1968! Imagine what they'd be like nowadays? Taken from Ian Armstrongs web page

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[greg]

Sept 5, 2020 13:11:50 GMT rift said:

I feel like Oxford Circus to Ilford was quite a stretch even then, so maybe for the 25’s situation, a new route from Mile End to Marble Arch via the old 25 could be introduced?

The 53, while not linked to Crossrail, should’ve never been cutback until the line opened to soften the blow of the cut

This is more of similar instead of introducing another route, you could extend the 86 to Aldgate and have the 25 restructured between Stratford and Notting Hill Gate?
(Supporting the 94 between Oxford Circus and Notting Hill and the Central Line).

Aldgate-Romford might be extremely long but I’m not too much of a local to know the traffic normality down there.

[route53]

I think there is scope for the 53 to be restored to Trafalgar Square, as the 53 doesn’t parallel CrossRail at any point apart from the fact that both serve Woolwich.

The 25 is basically the eastern end of CrossRail but a bus version, I still think it could be extended to Trafalgar Square itself.

I think the next three years should be a time in which the other changes can be reviewed, like the proposed butchering of the 180 for instances which is needed along the Greenwich-Charlton-Woolwich corridor to aid with the 177.

Wasn’t there some controversy surrounding the 427 changes?