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Post by wirewiper on Sept 6, 2020 7:53:35 GMT
I still think an Oxford Circus to Stratford route and Aldgate to Ilford would be better then the 25 running for nearly 80 mins then stopping just short of Holborn at City Thameslink. Agree here, the 25 is one of those routes that just needed to be split. Most of the bendy bus routes have been split into two which is quite funny. The 207 and 427 53 and 453 36 and 436 29 and 329 The 29/329 split happened well before the introduction of bendybuses. Enfield Town was not the traditional terminus of the 29, it only ran there between March 1977 and February 1992. The renumbering of the 427 recognised that the 207 was effectively operated as two overlapping routes already, with few if any journeys covering the full route (it was the same with the 253/254). |
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Post by twobellstogo on Sept 6, 2020 8:06:35 GMT
I think there is scope for the 53 to be restored to Trafalgar Square, as the 53 doesn’t parallel CrossRail at any point apart from the fact that both serve Woolwich. The 25 is basically the eastern end of CrossRail but a bus version, I still think it could be extended to Trafalgar Square itself. I think the next three years should be a time in which the other changes can be reviewed, like the proposed butchering of the 180 for instances which is needed along the Greenwich-Charlton-Woolwich corridor to aid with the 177. Wasn’t there some controversy surrounding the 427 changes? However Route 53 did encounter Parliament Square & Whitehall, which have been bombarded with protests in recent years. Imo, the 53 should be kept at County Hall or sent down to Lambeth Palace to better serve the Hospital departments. 53 to Lambeth Palace would be a very useful link. 180 I’ve mentioned before : heading east to Erith Quarry is of course dependent on the housing development being ready (it isn’t). Otherwise (sorry) I welcome on a personal level the 180 going to North Greenwich, once the Erith extension is in - selfish it may be, but I’ll find this link very handy. What could be done to make interchange easier is to reroute the 422 from East Greenwich via the current 161 and instead send the 161 further down the A206 via the 422 (then on to NG also via current 422) which would allow same stop interchange to/from the extended 129. Retain the links to/from IKEA and Woolwich Road by having the 180 reach NG via current 161 rather than Bugsby’s Way, which can be left to the 472. |
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Post by greenboy on Sept 6, 2020 8:29:12 GMT
This may seem that I’m living up to my username but I don’t agree that the 53 should be kept at County Hall, it should be restored to Whitehall/Trafalgar Square, it’s a useful cheap way to get people to the West End. I'm afraid you're flogging a dead horse....... I'd like to see the 53 restored to Camden Town but it isn't going to happen. As I mentioned previously the only change I can see happening to the 53 in the foreseeable future is a further cut back to Elephant & Castle. |
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Post by greg on Sept 6, 2020 10:02:50 GMT
This may seem that I’m living up to my username but I don’t agree that the 53 should be kept at County Hall, it should be restored to Whitehall/Trafalgar Square, it’s a useful cheap way to get people to the West End. I'm afraid you're flogging a dead horse....... I'd like to see the 53 restored to Camden Town but it isn't going to happen. As I mentioned previously the only change I can see happening to the 53 in the foreseeable future is a further cut back to Elephant & Castle. Demand over the years has collapsed so much so theres no longer any need for many bus routes linking places quite further away. Camden’s links to South London are now mainly the Northern Line and the 168. The 24/88 is not used for people heading to South London and more people for the West End from Camden. I think the 168 is enough now for an Elephant & Castle link from Camden since loads have died down. |
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Post by greenboy on Sept 6, 2020 10:28:35 GMT
I'm afraid you're flogging a dead horse....... I'd like to see the 53 restored to Camden Town but it isn't going to happen. As I mentioned previously the only change I can see happening to the 53 in the foreseeable future is a further cut back to Elephant & Castle. Demand over the years has collapsed so much so theres no longer any need for many bus routes linking places quite further away. Camden’s links to South London are now mainly the Northern Line and the 168. The 24/88 is not used for people heading to South London and more people for the West End from Camden. I think the 168 is enough now for an Elephant & Castle link from Camden since loads have died down. You're right about changes in demand and I wouldn't seriously advocate extending the 53 back to Camden Town. On the subject of cutting the 53 back to Elephant & Castle I think there might be a case for extending the 363 to County Hall. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 6, 2020 11:46:19 GMT
Demand over the years has collapsed so much so theres no longer any need for many bus routes linking places quite further away. Camden’s links to South London are now mainly the Northern Line and the 168. The 24/88 is not used for people heading to South London and more people for the West End from Camden. I think the 168 is enough now for an Elephant & Castle link from Camden since loads have died down. You're right about changes in demand and I wouldn't seriously advocate extending the 53 back to Camden Town. On the subject of cutting the 53 back to Elephant & Castle I think there might be a case for extending the 363 to County Hall. That change makes little sense - both Old Kent Road & Peckham already have links to County Hall/St Thomas’s whereas the 53 links a number of South East areas who are referred to St Thomas’s so why extend something merely for the sake of it? |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 6, 2020 12:06:53 GMT
route53 Over the years I'm sure protests have become more common and I think that particularly with XR going onto Oxford Street when not asked to, you can't tell when or where they go and personally I'm sure many people are fed up of their journeys being destroyed by these idiots The 53 is already very long, and I think that keeping it at County Hall or as mentioned routing it down to Lambeth palace to better serve the hospitals. Yes I'd love it to go back to Whitehall, however I think it's a distant memory particularly as to how rebellious protests have gotten including blocking roads. I'm sure the 53 was only at Whitehall for connections to St Thomas Hospital.
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Post by abz91 on Sept 14, 2020 23:59:07 GMT
However Route 53 did encounter Parliament Square & Whitehall, which have been bombarded with protests in recent years. Imo, the 53 should be kept at County Hall or sent down to Lambeth Palace to better serve the Hospital departments. 53 to Lambeth Palace would be a very useful link. 180 I’ve mentioned before : heading east to Erith Quarry is of course dependent on the housing development being ready (it isn’t). Otherwise (sorry) I welcome on a personal level the 180 going to North Greenwich, once the Erith extension is in - selfish it may be, but I’ll find this link very handy. What could be done to make interchange easier is to reroute the 422 from East Greenwich via the current 161 and instead send the 161 further down the A206 via the 422 (then on to NG also via current 422) which would allow same stop interchange to/from the extended 129. Retain the links to/from IKEA and Woolwich Road by having the 180 reach NG via current 161 rather than Bugsby’s Way, which can be left to the 472. new Route X25 to Stratford to Oxford Circus. Stratford Station Bow Church Station Bow Road Station Mile End Stepney Green Station Whitechapel station Royal London Hospital Aldgate City Thameslink Holborn Station Tottenham Court Road Oxford Circus |
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Post by BK15AZR on Sept 15, 2020 12:26:55 GMT
I still think an Oxford Circus to Stratford route and Aldgate to Ilford would be better then the 25 running for nearly 80 mins then stopping just short of Holborn at City Thameslink. Always think the 25 should focus on the section of Oxford Circus to Stratford while enhancing the frequency of the 86/425 to cover the Ilford section. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 15, 2020 12:49:48 GMT
I still think an Oxford Circus to Stratford route and Aldgate to Ilford would be better then the 25 running for nearly 80 mins then stopping just short of Holborn at City Thameslink. Always think the 25 should focus on the section of Oxford Circus to Stratford while enhancing the frequency of the 86/425 to cover the Ilford section. I don't think this is a particularly good idea. Currently heading East you only have the 25 and 115 which go beyond Zone 2, cutting the 25 back would just cause even more broken links. East London has always had a poor link into Central London by buses, the last thing needed now is for only one route to remain. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 15, 2020 15:52:44 GMT
I still think an Oxford Circus to Stratford route and Aldgate to Ilford would be better then the 25 running for nearly 80 mins then stopping just short of Holborn at City Thameslink. Always think the 25 should focus on the section of Oxford Circus to Stratford while enhancing the frequency of the 86/425 to cover the Ilford section. Alternatively, I would consider instead extending the 8 to Oxford Circus to restore the direct link beyond Holborn. Then also extend the 8 to Stratford, or possibly to Stratford City via the N205. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 16:20:37 GMT
Always think the 25 should focus on the section of Oxford Circus to Stratford while enhancing the frequency of the 86/425 to cover the Ilford section. Alternatively, I would consider instead extending the 8 to Oxford Circus to restore the direct link beyond Holborn. Then also extend the 8 to Stratford, or possibly to Stratford City via the N205. Don't think it would be practical to extend the 8, if you extend to Oxford Circus you will probably add another 20 mins to the route with traffic, it's quicker to walk! The extension to Stratford similar would add more time to the route and would be indirect to central London as the route runs via Old Ford compared to the 25 so probably wouldn't get many passengers using the route end to end. |
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Post by Trafalgax on Sept 15, 2020 18:42:10 GMT
I believe the link between Oxford Street and Holborn, Chancery Lane etc should be restored so i agree extending the 8 to Oxford Circus. Extending the 25 to Oxford Circus would be too long and would make the route seem unbalanced just like before, but cutailling it to City Thamelink also seems awkward. If they wanted to cut it, they should done it to St Pauls as that has better linkage to other routes. You guys would probably disagree with this one, but i'd like 242 to return to the 8/25 sections. This time extended to Trafalgar Square as it would get new links from Charing Cross Road to Holborn, Liverpool Street etc.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 15, 2020 19:10:15 GMT
I believe the link between Oxford Street and Holborn, Chancery Lane etc should be restored so i agree extending the 8 to Oxford Circus. Extending the 25 to Oxford Circus would be too long and would make the route seem unbalanced just like before, but cutailling it to City Thamelink also seems awkward. If they wanted to cut it, they should done it to St Pauls as that has better linkage to other routes. You guys would probably disagree with this one, but i'd like 242 to return to the 8/25 sections. This time extended to Trafalgar Square as it would get new links from Charing Cross Road to Holborn, Liverpool Street etc. I don't think the 25 should be cut to St Pauls, City Thameslink is in the middle of nowhere but at least still further than St Paul's which the 25 serves anyway. |
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Post by Trafalgax on Sept 15, 2020 19:16:31 GMT
I believe the link between Oxford Street and Holborn, Chancery Lane etc should be restored so i agree extending the 8 to Oxford Circus. Extending the 25 to Oxford Circus would be too long and would make the route seem unbalanced just like before, but cutailling it to City Thamelink also seems awkward. If they wanted to cut it, they should done it to St Pauls as that has better linkage to other routes. You guys would probably disagree with this one, but i'd like 242 to return to the 8/25 sections. This time extended to Trafalgar Square as it would get new links from Charing Cross Road to Holborn, Liverpool Street etc. I don't think the 25 should be cut to St Pauls, City Thameslink is in the middle of nowhere but at least still further than St Paul's which the 25 serves anyway. Further by only like 0.3 miles |
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