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Post by greg on Sept 12, 2020 20:03:33 GMT
It's quite understandable that people are reluctant to go upstairs in the current circumstances, the few bus journeys I've made since last March have been short distances and I've stayed downstairs. I thought free bus travel for kids was being suspended? I agree that TfL should be doing more to encourage walking and cycling. O please what on earth would be the reason not to go upstairs? If anything there is more space to distance!! Your negative spin on everything is seriously draining! Something will need to change soon as trust me as soon as Autumn and Winter hit walking and cycling will go out of the window, don't thin many will be keen cycling at 5pm in the rain and dark. Yep... Autumn weather is starting next Monday but I think schools will close soon if im honest. They should at this point. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 12, 2020 22:14:07 GMT
I think its more of people getting on shorter journeys like 2-3 stops and not being bothered to walk. I certainly wouldn’t bother going upstairs for a journey thats 2-7 stops. Can say the same for the 13/113 here, people boarding at Swiss Cottage and getting off at S’t John’s Wood its about a 10 minute walk straight down a quiet scenic road. I think TFL should make ads to encourage some to walk and advertise the free Cycle hire at the moment otherwise kids will stay on buses. It's quite understandable that people are reluctant to go upstairs in the current circumstances, the few bus journeys I've made since last March have been short distances and I've stayed downstairs. I thought free bus travel for kids was being suspended? I agree that TfL should be doing more to encourage walking and cycling. Could you clarify why it's understandable as I don't follow - many passengers are still making journeys longer than a few stops from my observations over the last few weeks and there is not only more room upstairs but arguably better ventilation too. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 14, 2020 1:30:12 GMT
Spotted x2 route 25 at Stratford today with standing loads! There was seats available upstairs! Madness! I think its more of people getting on shorter journeys like 2-3 stops and not being bothered to walk. I certainly wouldn’t bother going upstairs for a journey thats 2-7 stops. Can say the same for the 13/113 here, people boarding at Swiss Cottage and getting off at S’t John’s Wood its about a 10 minute walk straight down a quiet scenic road. I think TFL should make ads to encourage some to walk and advertise the free Cycle hire at the moment otherwise kids will stay on buses. They have been so many ads encouraging cycling and walking, it is NOT going to make hardly much difference. They even have large billboard adverts telling people to walk and cycle to the pub etc
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Post by rugbyref on Sept 14, 2020 7:37:13 GMT
I have seen route R1 struggle, with 2 occasions of ‘bus full.’ Not a problem on some routes, but a route with only 3bph means a minimum of 20 minutes wait, possibly 40. And significant portion of the route is not covered by any other service.
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Post by greenboy on Sept 14, 2020 10:56:00 GMT
I have seen route R1 struggle, with 2 occasions of ‘bus full.’ Not a problem on some routes, but a route with only 3bph means a minimum of 20 minutes wait, possibly 40. And significant portion of the route is not covered by any other service. That happens on a lot of single decker routes that are restricted to 11 passengers but what is the alternative? I wouldn't want to have to rely on hourly routes like the 146 or R5/8/10 and I've heard a lot of complaints about the 336 being inaccessible particularly at school times. |
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Post by Pilot on Sept 15, 2020 10:34:51 GMT
I have seen route R1 struggle, with 2 occasions of ‘bus full.’ Not a problem on some routes, but a route with only 3bph means a minimum of 20 minutes wait, possibly 40. And significant portion of the route is not covered by any other service. That happens on a lot of single decker routes that are restricted to 11 passengers but what is the alternative? I wouldn't want to have to rely on hourly routes like the 146 or R5/8/10 and I've heard a lot of complaints about the 336 being inaccessible particularly at school times. The thing with 336 and many other 'Monaco GP' routes like that is limited capacity and low frequency and obviously majority of kids and I am not sorry to say this 'wasting service space' for people who got real journeys to make rather than few stops to go their friends place or chicken shop. Even 356 when it's just after school, you come towards Eden Park and there are 200 kids waiting at stop, your capacity is 11 people and at the next stop there are some genuine workers trying to get home which will no longer be important but hey they will be left behind now because kids going to chicken shops are more important (fine maybe 1-2 genuinly making trip home)....and now those workers will get this few days and eventually they'll just decide that TFL is no use and get a moped. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 15, 2020 10:44:11 GMT
That happens on a lot of single decker routes that are restricted to 11 passengers but what is the alternative? I wouldn't want to have to rely on hourly routes like the 146 or R5/8/10 and I've heard a lot of complaints about the 336 being inaccessible particularly at school times. The thing with 336 and many other 'Monaco GP' routes like that is limited capacity and low frequency and obviously majority of kids and I am not sorry to say this 'wasting service space' for people who got real journeys to make rather than few stops to go their friends place or chicken shop. Even 356 when it's just after school, you come towards Eden Park and there are 200 kids waiting at stop, your capacity is 11 people and at the next stop there are some genuine workers trying to get home which will no longer be important but hey they will be left behind now because kids going to chicken shops are more important (fine maybe 1-2 genuinly making trip home)....and now those workers will get this few days and eventually they'll just decide that TFL is no use and get a moped. I find incredibly hard to believe that only 1-2 children make their way straight home, think that's an outdated stereotype of children personally. All children should go straight home where possible but there are sometimes reasons why children end up there, sometimes a sign of problems at home and sometimes not. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 10:47:46 GMT
The thing with 336 and many other 'Monaco GP' routes like that is limited capacity and low frequency and obviously majority of kids and I am not sorry to say this 'wasting service space' for people who got real journeys to make rather than few stops to go their friends place or chicken shop. Even 356 when it's just after school, you come towards Eden Park and there are 200 kids waiting at stop, your capacity is 11 people and at the next stop there are some genuine workers trying to get home which will no longer be important but hey they will be left behind now because kids going to chicken shops are more important (fine maybe 1-2 genuinly making trip home)....and now those workers will get this few days and eventually they'll just decide that TFL is no use and get a moped. I find incredibly hard to believe that only 1-2 children make their way straight home, think that's an outdated stereotype of children personally. All children should go straight home where possible but there are sometimes reasons why children end up there, sometimes a sign of problems at home and sometimes not. I have to disagree, it my local area children do tend to socialise around the local shops and streets. Most days this week I have see a school extra route 300 running empty when it could have been used by regular passengers. |
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Post by greenboy on Sept 15, 2020 10:48:24 GMT
That happens on a lot of single decker routes that are restricted to 11 passengers but what is the alternative? I wouldn't want to have to rely on hourly routes like the 146 or R5/8/10 and I've heard a lot of complaints about the 336 being inaccessible particularly at school times. The thing with 336 and many other 'Monaco GP' routes like that is limited capacity and low frequency and obviously majority of kids and I am not sorry to say this 'wasting service space' for people who got real journeys to make rather than few stops to go their friends place or chicken shop. Even 356 when it's just after school, you come towards Eden Park and there are 200 kids waiting at stop, your capacity is 11 people and at the next stop there are some genuine workers trying to get home which will no longer be important but hey they will be left behind now because kids going to chicken shops are more important (fine maybe 1-2 genuinly making trip home)....and now those workers will get this few days and eventually they'll just decide that TFL is no use and get a moped. I agree with you completely and once people have invested in a moped they're unlikely to return to bus travel again. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 10:58:23 GMT
The thing with 336 and many other 'Monaco GP' routes like that is limited capacity and low frequency and obviously majority of kids and I am not sorry to say this 'wasting service space' for people who got real journeys to make rather than few stops to go their friends place or chicken shop. Even 356 when it's just after school, you come towards Eden Park and there are 200 kids waiting at stop, your capacity is 11 people and at the next stop there are some genuine workers trying to get home which will no longer be important but hey they will be left behind now because kids going to chicken shops are more important (fine maybe 1-2 genuinly making trip home)....and now those workers will get this few days and eventually they'll just decide that TFL is no use and get a moped. I agree with you completely and once people have invested in a moped they're unlikely to return to bus travel again. Must have missed the sudden up take in moped sales on the news. Sorry to tell you this but people are returning to transport more and more and even offices are going back (shock horror). Not trying to be too personal but it feels almost like you want everything to fail and we all stay away from transport. |
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Post by Pilot on Sept 15, 2020 11:12:22 GMT
I agree with you completely and once people have invested in a moped they're unlikely to return to bus travel again. Must have missed the sudden up take in moped sales on the news. Sorry to tell you this but people are returning to transport more and more and even offices are going back (shock horror). Not trying to be too personal but it feels almost like you want everything to fail and we all stay away from transport. No, I am actually genuinely worried about people turning away from public transport due to buses driving past them, I drive buses I leave genuinly like 100 or more people behind at stops as I stick to people limit, how many days will they have patience to wait for bus for 30 mins before they just give up? If that was me, I would give up day 2 to be honest.
(Obviously you missed news on spike in cycle sales tho lol)
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Post by greenboy on Sept 15, 2020 11:36:29 GMT
Must have missed the sudden up take in moped sales on the news. Sorry to tell you this but people are returning to transport more and more and even offices are going back (shock horror). Not trying to be too personal but it feels almost like you want everything to fail and we all stay away from transport. No, I am actually genuinely worried about people turning away from public transport due to buses driving past them, I drive buses I leave genuinly like 100 or more people behind at stops as I stick to people limit, how many days will they have patience to wait for bus for 30 mins before they just give up? If that was me, I would give up day 2 to be honest.
(Obviously you missed news on spike in cycle sales tho lol)
And the spike in second hand car sales..... the Arthur Daley's of this world must be coining it in. I remember somebody telling me that the 1958 bus strike forced people into finding other ways of getting about and when the strike ended many never returned to bus travel and I can see the same thing happening here. |
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Post by Paul on Sept 15, 2020 16:24:50 GMT
TfL will be closely monitoring service levels and passenger levels during this first half term. I imagine there will be plans in place to alter service levels for the second half term to better match requirements. Until then, reports of full or empty buses need to be submitted to TfL - it will all be acted upon
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Post by greg on Sept 15, 2020 18:18:09 GMT
That happens on a lot of single decker routes that are restricted to 11 passengers but what is the alternative? I wouldn't want to have to rely on hourly routes like the 146 or R5/8/10 and I've heard a lot of complaints about the 336 being inaccessible particularly at school times. The thing with 336 and many other 'Monaco GP' routes like that is limited capacity and low frequency and obviously majority of kids and I am not sorry to say this 'wasting service space' for people who got real journeys to make rather than few stops to go their friends place or chicken shop. Even 356 when it's just after school, you come towards Eden Park and there are 200 kids waiting at stop, your capacity is 11 people and at the next stop there are some genuine workers trying to get home which will no longer be important but hey they will be left behind now because kids going to chicken shops are more important (fine maybe 1-2 genuinly making trip home)....and now those workers will get this few days and eventually they'll just decide that TFL is no use and get a moped. Facts here. And honestly I don’t blame the kids sometimes, some people actually take part in social distancing properly at school and then take a little walk and just go home after. It is honestly not too bad, I go to school and have not seen any of my friends, we are all split up. TFL shouldn’t be doing anything more here, its the schools who are barely getting the blame in this. My particular school is taking social distancing as a joke I have to say, and the fact that schools are bringing in all year groups on the same day, basically same time with little changes is obviously mean buses will be filled up. The only difference for me is some year groups have a 20 minute later start, (the 31 copes in the mornings 😁) but schools need to rearrange their timetable so years can have different days. Some kids have started walking too bear in mind, I always walk with my friends now for a quick chat before we all go home and I live quite far from school and take the bus when its mostly empty or spaced out. And my last point here is that all these kids are supporting businesses supporting chicken shops here as you have said, all these places would have closed down at a loss of profit if people stopped going. In a way it works for everyone and people have stopped gathering in bigger circles now, in a friend group way most people have emotionally changed (quarantine took a toll) so I think it is fine the way it is. with the kids. |
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Post by galwhv69 on Sept 15, 2020 18:34:57 GMT
That happens on a lot of single decker routes that are restricted to 11 passengers but what is the alternative? I wouldn't want to have to rely on hourly routes like the 146 or R5/8/10 and I've heard a lot of complaints about the 336 being inaccessible particularly at school times. The thing with 336 and many other 'Monaco GP' routes like that is limited capacity and low frequency and obviously majority of kids and I am not sorry to say this 'wasting service space' for people who got real journeys to make rather than few stops to go their friends place or chicken shop. Even 356 when it's just after school, you come towards Eden Park and there are 200 kids waiting at stop, your capacity is 11 people and at the next stop there are some genuine workers trying to get home which will no longer be important but hey they will be left behind now because kids going to chicken shops are more important (fine maybe 1-2 genuinly making trip home)....and now those workers will get this few days and eventually they'll just decide that TFL is no use and get a moped. This is part of the problem. Many adults think that children are not genuine passengers because "they go one or 2 stops to the chicken shop" etc. . Whilst this may be partially true, not everyone is like that. It is not 1 or 2 students. Adults also need to think of children as commuters, they also have places to be, whether it's school, home, sports practice etc. (btw this isn't personally just to you, I've just noticed these types of comments recently on various social platforms & wanted to give my opinion) |
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