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Post by greenboy on Sept 15, 2020 18:37:08 GMT
The thing with 336 and many other 'Monaco GP' routes like that is limited capacity and low frequency and obviously majority of kids and I am not sorry to say this 'wasting service space' for people who got real journeys to make rather than few stops to go their friends place or chicken shop. Even 356 when it's just after school, you come towards Eden Park and there are 200 kids waiting at stop, your capacity is 11 people and at the next stop there are some genuine workers trying to get home which will no longer be important but hey they will be left behind now because kids going to chicken shops are more important (fine maybe 1-2 genuinly making trip home)....and now those workers will get this few days and eventually they'll just decide that TFL is no use and get a moped. Facts here. And honestly I don’t blame the kids sometimes, some people actually take part in social distancing properly at school and then take a little walk and just go home after. It is honestly not too bad, I go to school and have not seen any of my friends, we are all split up. TFL shouldn’t be doing anything more here, its the schools who are barely getting the blame in this. My particular school is taking social distancing as a joke I have to say, and the fact that schools are bringing in all year groups on the same day, basically same time with little changes is obviously mean buses will be filled up. The only difference for me is some year groups have a 20 minute later start, (the 31 copes in the mornings 😁) but schools need to rearrange their timetable so years can have different days. Some kids have started walking too bear in mind, I always walk with my friends now for a quick chat before we all go home and I live quite far from school and take the bus when its mostly empty or spaced out. And my last point here is that all these kids are supporting businesses supporting chicken shops here as you have said, all these places would have closed down at a loss of profit if people stopped going. In a way it works for everyone and people have stopped gathering in bigger circles now, in a friend group way most people have emotionally changed (quarantine took a toll) so I think it is fine the way it is. with the kids. I don't think anybody is blaming kids themselves, I'm sure most of us would take a freebie if it was offered, and it's good to see that some are acting responsibly and walking to and from school. I think the reference to chicken shops comes about from the fact if they can afford chicken and chips etc why should they be getting free travel on buses? A route like the 336, and there are many other examples, you have very little chance of getting on a bus in Bromley when school finishes because they are all full of kids. Some people will buy mopeds etc and probably won't return to bus travel again but what about the many elderly people living in Downham who have no other way of getting home? This whole mess was created by a former mayor who knew he wouldn't be in office long enough to deal with the consequences. |
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Post by greg on Sept 15, 2020 18:43:53 GMT
Facts here. And honestly I don’t blame the kids sometimes, some people actually take part in social distancing properly at school and then take a little walk and just go home after. It is honestly not too bad, I go to school and have not seen any of my friends, we are all split up. TFL shouldn’t be doing anything more here, its the schools who are barely getting the blame in this. My particular school is taking social distancing as a joke I have to say, and the fact that schools are bringing in all year groups on the same day, basically same time with little changes is obviously mean buses will be filled up. The only difference for me is some year groups have a 20 minute later start, (the 31 copes in the mornings 😁) but schools need to rearrange their timetable so years can have different days. Some kids have started walking too bear in mind, I always walk with my friends now for a quick chat before we all go home and I live quite far from school and take the bus when its mostly empty or spaced out. And my last point here is that all these kids are supporting businesses supporting chicken shops here as you have said, all these places would have closed down at a loss of profit if people stopped going. In a way it works for everyone and people have stopped gathering in bigger circles now, in a friend group way most people have emotionally changed (quarantine took a toll) so I think it is fine the way it is. with the kids. I don't think anybody is blaming kids themselves, I'm sure most of us would take a freebie if it was offered, and it's good to see that some are acting responsibly and walking to and from school. I think the reference to chicken shops comes about from the fact if they can afford chicken and chips etc why should they be getting free travel on buses? A route like the 336, and there are many other examples, you have very little chance of getting on a bus in Bromley when school finishes because they are all full of kids. Some people will buy mopeds etc and probably won't return to bus travel again but what about the many elderly people living in Downham who have no other way of getting home? This whole mess was created by a former mayor who knew he wouldn't be in office long enough to deal with the consequences. Also true. A big dilemma. Not to sound negative here, but I still partly don’t stand with TFL cutting free travel only because people have just started going back to work and second wave is obviously coming soon, so even if they do proceed with it, it is not the time. I wouldn’t be happy if they did because some people generally cannot afford to pay everyday for 5 years, and not everyones goes to chicken shops, I certainly don’t get pocket money for it. I also wouldn’t be too much disappointed if they did either because TFL going bust would ruin London and they do need as many ways to regain some money. Time will come. I very do believe though the whole cut of free travel from October half term will be delayed or on hold. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 15, 2020 20:28:33 GMT
Facts here. And honestly I don’t blame the kids sometimes, some people actually take part in social distancing properly at school and then take a little walk and just go home after. It is honestly not too bad, I go to school and have not seen any of my friends, we are all split up. TFL shouldn’t be doing anything more here, its the schools who are barely getting the blame in this. My particular school is taking social distancing as a joke I have to say, and the fact that schools are bringing in all year groups on the same day, basically same time with little changes is obviously mean buses will be filled up. The only difference for me is some year groups have a 20 minute later start, (the 31 copes in the mornings 😁) but schools need to rearrange their timetable so years can have different days. Some kids have started walking too bear in mind, I always walk with my friends now for a quick chat before we all go home and I live quite far from school and take the bus when its mostly empty or spaced out. And my last point here is that all these kids are supporting businesses supporting chicken shops here as you have said, all these places would have closed down at a loss of profit if people stopped going. In a way it works for everyone and people have stopped gathering in bigger circles now, in a friend group way most people have emotionally changed (quarantine took a toll) so I think it is fine the way it is. with the kids. I don't think anybody is blaming kids themselves, I'm sure most of us would take a freebie if it was offered, and it's good to see that some are acting responsibly and walking to and from school. I think the reference to chicken shops comes about from the fact if they can afford chicken and chips etc why should they be getting free travel on buses? A route like the 336, and there are many other examples, you have very little chance of getting on a bus in Bromley when school finishes because they are all full of kids. Some people will buy mopeds etc and probably won't return to bus travel again but what about the many elderly people living in Downham who have no other way of getting home? This whole mess was created by a former mayor who knew he wouldn't be in office long enough to deal with the consequences. Are you seriously trying to suggest that Livingstone is to blame for the current situation because if so, you have truly confirmed not only how bias you are to the Tories but how delusional you must be to even make such a claim if that is what your referring to. |
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Post by Busboy105 on Sept 21, 2020 16:36:11 GMT
Seen a W4 around 3:30pm today. That bus was so full there was virtually no social distancing on it. Even before COVID this route would struggle because of the small buses that operate on it. The only reason I can think of why it doesn’t have longer buses is because of the roads it serves in Oakthorpe Park and Tottenham.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 26, 2020 19:47:54 GMT
No, I am actually genuinely worried about people turning away from public transport due to buses driving past them, I drive buses I leave genuinly like 100 or more people behind at stops as I stick to people limit, how many days will they have patience to wait for bus for 30 mins before they just give up? If that was me, I would give up day 2 to be honest.
(Obviously you missed news on spike in cycle sales tho lol)
And the spike in second hand car sales..... the Arthur Daley's of this world must be coining it in. I remember somebody telling me that the 1958 bus strike forced people into finding other ways of getting about and when the strike ended many never returned to bus travel and I can see the same thing happening here. It wont be just this driving passengers away. In London Borough of Hackney, Tower Hamlets with their roads closed for LTN or whatever daft name they call it, have seen traffic levels on normal bus routes come to a snails pace. It has resorted in passenger complaints at the bus services which it is not their fault, but the councils and TfL allowing these pathetic schemes. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 26, 2020 20:01:02 GMT
I don't think anybody is blaming kids themselves, I'm sure most of us would take a freebie if it was offered, and it's good to see that some are acting responsibly and walking to and from school. I think the reference to chicken shops comes about from the fact if they can afford chicken and chips etc why should they be getting free travel on buses? A route like the 336, and there are many other examples, you have very little chance of getting on a bus in Bromley when school finishes because they are all full of kids. Some people will buy mopeds etc and probably won't return to bus travel again but what about the many elderly people living in Downham who have no other way of getting home? This whole mess was created by a former mayor who knew he wouldn't be in office long enough to deal with the consequences. Are you seriously trying to suggest that Livingstone is to blame for the current situation because if so, you have truly confirmed not only how bias you are to the Tories but how delusional you must be to even make such a claim if that is what your referring to. Part of the blame does lie with him. His excuse was that when he was a nipper it didn't cost nothing for the bus. But then it was not entirely true. If they were to do the free travel, it should have NEVER went to secondary school kids, it created a load of problems then and still has not stopped. There are loads of people I know who had free travel in their teens and have not continued using the bus when they had to pay.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Oct 1, 2020 20:38:07 GMT
I reckon that with a more sensible mayor we should start to see better planning
No disrespect to who is left wing but some of these proposals like cycle lanes and ratruns scream leftie to me, I don't know why but I think after Sadiqs run I've started to turn more to the right (maybe it's just a coming of age thing)
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Post by vjaska on Oct 1, 2020 21:33:05 GMT
I reckon that with a more sensible mayor we should start to see better planning No disrespect to who is left wing but some of these proposals like cycle lanes and ratruns scream leftie to me, I don't know why but I think after Sadiqs run I've started to turn more to the right (maybe it's just a coming of age thing) Well you'll be waiting at least another term because the incumbent (Khan) and the challenger (Bailey) are both equally useless in many different aspects. Bailey in particular has views beyond transport that make me shudder. |
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Post by Busboy105 on Oct 1, 2020 21:53:40 GMT
I reckon that with a more sensible mayor we should start to see better planning No disrespect to who is left wing but some of these proposals like cycle lanes and ratruns scream leftie to me, I don't know why but I think after Sadiqs run I've started to turn more to the right (maybe it's just a coming of age thing) Well you'll be waiting at least another term because the incumbent (Khan) and the challenger (Bailey) are both equally useless in many different aspects. Bailey in particular has views beyond transport that make me shudder. Care to share? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2020 22:00:29 GMT
I reckon that with a more sensible mayor we should start to see better planning No disrespect to who is left wing but some of these proposals like cycle lanes and ratruns scream leftie to me, I don't know why but I think after Sadiqs run I've started to turn more to the right (maybe it's just a coming of age thing) Well you'll be waiting at least another term because the incumbent (Khan) and the challenger (Bailey) are both equally useless in many different aspects. Bailey in particular has views beyond transport that make me shudder. I really feel the mayoral election will come down to a better the devil you know style situation. Personally I like Bailey, I’ve met him several times and whilst some of his views like the drug testing in offices is odd I would welcome changes in city hall. Sadiq Kahn hasn’t really done much to improve life in London and yes some will blame cuts from central government but ultimately he had failed to make London safe, keep transport abundant and keep London the envy of Europe. Now maybe if he spent more time on London and less time on delivering interview after interview about the problems with central government he could have made improvements that this city so desperately needs. London needs change, it needs a mayor who is focused on the issues London, like stabbings every week, rather than tearing down road names or removing statues. |
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Post by Volvo on Oct 1, 2020 22:33:23 GMT
79, 142, 251, 258, H12.
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Post by vjaska on Oct 1, 2020 23:58:03 GMT
Well you'll be waiting at least another term because the incumbent (Khan) and the challenger (Bailey) are both equally useless in many different aspects. Bailey in particular has views beyond transport that make me shudder. I really feel the mayoral election will come down to a better the devil you know style situation. Personally I like Bailey, I’ve met him several times and whilst some of his views like the drug testing in offices is odd I would welcome changes in city hall. Sadiq Kahn hasn’t really done much to improve life in London and yes some will blame cuts from central government but ultimately he had failed to make London safe, keep transport abundant and keep London the envy of Europe. Now maybe if he spent more time on London and less time on delivering interview after interview about the problems with central government he could have made improvements that this city so desperately needs. London needs change, it needs a mayor who is focused on the issues London, like stabbings every week, rather than tearing down road names or removing statues. I agree with your last sentence and whilst it's nice he isn't a fan of BLM and that his comment about women getting pregnant to claim a flat is absolutely bang on because I know people on my own estate who've done that, equally, I'm not compelled to elect someone who has awful views regarding Muslims & Hindus, especially when describing their festivals as turning Britain into a "crime-riddled cesspool. For me, he is not worth my time unless he decided to change his view on that point in which case, I can at least consider him. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Oct 2, 2020 14:54:48 GMT
I really feel the mayoral election will come down to a better the devil you know style situation. Personally I like Bailey, I’ve met him several times and whilst some of his views like the drug testing in offices is odd I would welcome changes in city hall. Sadiq Kahn hasn’t really done much to improve life in London and yes some will blame cuts from central government but ultimately he had failed to make London safe, keep transport abundant and keep London the envy of Europe. Now maybe if he spent more time on London and less time on delivering interview after interview about the problems with central government he could have made improvements that this city so desperately needs. London needs change, it needs a mayor who is focused on the issues London, like stabbings every week, rather than tearing down road names or removing statues. I agree with your last sentence and whilst it's nice he isn't a fan of BLM and that his comment about women getting pregnant to claim a flat is absolutely bang on because I know people on my own estate who've done that, equally, I'm not compelled to elect someone who has awful views regarding Muslims & Hindus, especially when describing their festivals as turning Britain into a "crime-riddled cesspool. For me, he is not worth my time unless he decided to change his view on that point in which case, I can at least consider him. I agree his comments are not nice but I think having someone like Katie Hopkins (maybe not with her bigoted views and generally racist persona) she'd be excellent for the job considering she doesn't care about her every words being judged and is willing to stand up for herself and country. |
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 2, 2020 15:09:51 GMT
I agree with your last sentence and whilst it's nice he isn't a fan of BLM and that his comment about women getting pregnant to claim a flat is absolutely bang on because I know people on my own estate who've done that, equally, I'm not compelled to elect someone who has awful views regarding Muslims & Hindus, especially when describing their festivals as turning Britain into a "crime-riddled cesspool. For me, he is not worth my time unless he decided to change his view on that point in which case, I can at least consider him. I agree his comments are not nice but I think having someone like Katie Hopkins ( maybe not with her bigoted views and generally racist persona) she'd be excellent for the job considering she doesn't care about her every words being judged and is willing to stand up for herself and country. Her bigoted views and generally racist persona are precisely why she should not be let anywhere near the London mayoralty. How can someone like her fairly represent a city where 40% of the population is BAME? |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Oct 2, 2020 15:49:20 GMT
I agree his comments are not nice but I think having someone like Katie Hopkins ( maybe not with her bigoted views and generally racist persona) she'd be excellent for the job considering she doesn't care about her every words being judged and is willing to stand up for herself and country. Her bigoted views and generally racist persona are precisely why she should not be let anywhere near the London mayoralty. How can someone like her fairly represent a city where 40% of the population is BAME? As I have said someone who has her ethic of not caring what anyone thinks - I do not necessarily want her views in a mayor but I want someone not like Khan whining about what Trump said about him - which tbf wasn't even that harsh |
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