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Post by wirewiper on Sept 30, 2020 16:36:22 GMT
Transport for London is currently considering its submission to the Government's latest Comprehensive Spending Review. It looks like the Bakerloo Line Extension to Lewisham and Crossrail 2 will not make the list this time round due to "affordability constraints", but the sites of the proposed tunnels and stations will be "safeguarded". However resignalling of the existing Bakerloo Line and a fleet of new trains to be delivered in the late 2020s will be submitted. However one surprise is a likely submission to upgrade the Jubilee Line with a new fleet of trains at a cost of £2billion, which would increase capacity by up to 25% and reduce overcrowding at key locations. The beauty of this plan is that it then allows the existing trains to be reallocated to the Northern Line, where the long-held aspiration to split the line into two at Camden Town and increase capacity on each branch from 24 to 30+trains an hour could be realised. Also likely to be submitted is an extension of the DLR to Thamesmead, as the Government already has funding for transport upgrades that unlock new housing development. www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2020/09/30/london-undergrounds-bakerloo-line-extension-put-on-hold/
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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 30, 2020 16:56:29 GMT
Transport for London is currently considering its submission to the Government's latest Comprehensive Spending Review. It looks like the Bakerloo Line Extension to Lewisham and Crossrail 2 will not make the list this time round due to "affordability constraints", but the sites of the proposed tunnels and stations will be "safeguarded". However resignalling of the existing Bakerloo Line and a fleet of new trains to be delivered in the late 2020s will be submitted. However one surprise is a likely submission to upgrade the Jubilee Line with a new fleet of trains at a cost of £2billion, which would increase capacity by up to 25% and reduce overcrowding at key locations. The beauty of this plan is that it then allows the existing trains to be reallocated to the Northern Line, where the long-held aspiration to split the line into two at Camden Town and increase capacity on each branch from 24 to 30+trains an hour could be realised. Also likely to be submitted is an extension of the DLR to Thamesmead, as the Government already has funding for transport upgrades that unlock new housing development. www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2020/09/30/london-undergrounds-bakerloo-line-extension-put-on-hold/I think there was a missed opportunity when the 2009 stock were built for a greater plan to replace or reallocate rolling stock, to meet capacity requirements and replace older stock. For example, a variant of the 2009 stock could have been built for the Jubilee Line, fully replacing the 96 stock here. Some of the 96 stock could then have moved to the Bakerloo line, with the 1972 stock in need of replacement. With the rest of the 96 then going to supplement the Northern line's fleet (with necessary modifications made), with the possibility of splitting the line. I also wonder if the 2009 stock could have been designed at the time to have walk-through carriages. The similar S-stock was only built a few years later, but doesn't have separated carriages. Or - as the 1967 stock was a similar design/age to the 1972 & 1973 stocks, perhaps the 2009 stock could have been introduced on the Bakerloo, Piccadilly and Victoria lines?
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Post by John tuthill on Sept 30, 2020 17:03:11 GMT
Transport for London is currently considering its submission to the Government's latest Comprehensive Spending Review. It looks like the Bakerloo Line Extension to Lewisham and Crossrail 2 will not make the list this time round due to "affordability constraints", but the sites of the proposed tunnels and stations will be "safeguarded". However resignalling of the existing Bakerloo Line and a fleet of new trains to be delivered in the late 2020s will be submitted. However one surprise is a likely submission to upgrade the Jubilee Line with a new fleet of trains at a cost of £2billion, which would increase capacity by up to 25% and reduce overcrowding at key locations. The beauty of this plan is that it then allows the existing trains to be reallocated to the Northern Line, where the long-held aspiration to split the line into two at Camden Town and increase capacity on each branch from 24 to 30+trains an hour could be realised. Also likely to be submitted is an extension of the DLR to Thamesmead, as the Government already has funding for transport upgrades that unlock new housing development. www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2020/09/30/london-undergrounds-bakerloo-line-extension-put-on-hold/Which will happen first? Crossrail opening or the Bakerloo extension SE? Answers on the back of a tenner
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Post by vjaska on Sept 30, 2020 18:13:07 GMT
Transport for London is currently considering its submission to the Government's latest Comprehensive Spending Review. It looks like the Bakerloo Line Extension to Lewisham and Crossrail 2 will not make the list this time round due to "affordability constraints", but the sites of the proposed tunnels and stations will be "safeguarded". However resignalling of the existing Bakerloo Line and a fleet of new trains to be delivered in the late 2020s will be submitted. However one surprise is a likely submission to upgrade the Jubilee Line with a new fleet of trains at a cost of £2billion, which would increase capacity by up to 25% and reduce overcrowding at key locations. The beauty of this plan is that it then allows the existing trains to be reallocated to the Northern Line, where the long-held aspiration to split the line into two at Camden Town and increase capacity on each branch from 24 to 30+trains an hour could be realised. Also likely to be submitted is an extension of the DLR to Thamesmead, as the Government already has funding for transport upgrades that unlock new housing development. www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2020/09/30/london-undergrounds-bakerloo-line-extension-put-on-hold/Which will happen first? Crossrail opening or the Bakerloo etension SE? Answers on the back of a tenner King George will come first
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Post by galwhv69 on Sept 30, 2020 18:44:13 GMT
Which will happen first? Crossrail opening or the Bakerloo etension SE? Answers on the back of a tenner King George will come first All Hail King george
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Post by routew15 on Sept 30, 2020 19:00:20 GMT
If the Northern Line is split has the overcrowding from 30+tph at other stations been considered... Clapham North and Clapham Common Stations surely cannot be expect to handle such high levels of flow. I would say Moorgate, Archway and Leicester Square may need some kind of interventions as well. Plus of the split may make it easier to extend to Clapham Junction
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 19:14:32 GMT
If the Northern Line is split has the overcrowding from 30+tph at other stations been considered... Clapham North and Clapham Common Stations surely cannot be expect to handle such high levels of flow. I would say Moorgate, Archway and Leicester Square may need some kind of interventions as well. Plus of the split may make it easier to extend to Clapham Junction The northern line already runs at 28tph between Kennington and Morden but I have a feeling it’s referring to the branch lines beyond Kennington towards the west end or the city. I also think we could see the long rumoured split once the branch to Battersea Power Station opens with 30tph between Battersea and Edgware via Charing Cross and a direct High Barnet/Mill Hill East (peaks only) to Morden via Bank service. Both could maintain 30 trains per hour that way. There wouldn’t be much difference except you’d be forced to change at Kennington at all hours rather than having peaks/late evening journeys through to Morden via Charing Cross as we do now.
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Post by mkay315 on Sept 30, 2020 20:20:36 GMT
Which will happen first? Crossrail opening or the Bakerloo etension SE? Answers on the back of a tenner King George will come first Hmph Crossrail yeah. The amount of times I've heard the generic "we won't be able to meet this target at this moment in time" strap line to last me a lifetime is hilarious. If the main people in charge of this project were the regular folk of today in normal jobs and they delayed the project like this they would have been given their marching orders for this calamity. When I first heard of the how they were going to have three different signals in place for that line I knew instantly they were not going to meet that deadline that waw originally proposed as that system is too complex to get it done in a short space of time
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Post by routew15 on Oct 1, 2020 8:06:26 GMT
If the Northern Line is split has the overcrowding from 30+tph at other stations been considered... Clapham North and Clapham Common Stations surely cannot be expect to handle such high levels of flow. I would say Moorgate, Archway and Leicester Square may need some kind of interventions as well. Plus of the split may make it easier to extend to Clapham Junction The northern line already runs at 28tph between Kennington and Morden but I have a feeling it’s referring to the branch lines beyond Kennington towards the west end or the city. I also think we could see the long rumoured split once the branch to Battersea Power Station opens with 30tph between Battersea and Edgware via Charing Cross and a direct High Barnet/Mill Hill East (peaks only) to Morden via Bank service. Both could maintain 30 trains per hour that way. There wouldn’t be much difference except you’d be forced to change at Kennington at all hours rather than having peaks/late evening journeys through to Morden via Charing Cross as we do now. My concern at Clapham North and Clapham Common is more for the >30 increases. Before the next train pull in passengers from the first train will still be on the platform. The problem is twofold at these stations as you have both directions on these small islands. You also cannot underestimate the induced demand to off-peak enchantments.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2020 9:07:31 GMT
The northern line already runs at 28tph between Kennington and Morden but I have a feeling it’s referring to the branch lines beyond Kennington towards the west end or the city. I also think we could see the long rumoured split once the branch to Battersea Power Station opens with 30tph between Battersea and Edgware via Charing Cross and a direct High Barnet/Mill Hill East (peaks only) to Morden via Bank service. Both could maintain 30 trains per hour that way. There wouldn’t be much difference except you’d be forced to change at Kennington at all hours rather than having peaks/late evening journeys through to Morden via Charing Cross as we do now. My concern at Clapham North and Clapham Common is more for the >30 increases. Before the next train pull in passengers from the first train will still be on the platform. The problem is twofold at these stations as you have both directions on these small islands. You also cannot underestimate the induced demand to off-peak enchantments. True, perhaps TFL could consider some sort of barrier like the ones they have on parts of the Jubilee Line. Maybe low size ones that retract platform side rather than tunnel side. Obviously they have no money for this but it’s a nice idea.
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 1, 2020 9:11:04 GMT
My concern at Clapham North and Clapham Common is more for the >30 increases. Before the next train pull in passengers from the first train will still be on the platform. The problem is twofold at these stations as you have both directions on these small islands. You also cannot underestimate the induced demand to off-peak enchantments. True, perhaps TFL could consider some sort of barrier like the ones they have on parts of the Jubilee Line. Maybe low size ones that retract platform side rather than tunnel side. Obviously they have no money for this but it’s a nice idea. I would imagine that some station works to increase capacity and safety are an integral part of the proposals and will be identified and costed in the submission.
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Post by greenboy on Oct 1, 2020 9:39:18 GMT
The northern line already runs at 28tph between Kennington and Morden but I have a feeling it’s referring to the branch lines beyond Kennington towards the west end or the city. I also think we could see the long rumoured split once the branch to Battersea Power Station opens with 30tph between Battersea and Edgware via Charing Cross and a direct High Barnet/Mill Hill East (peaks only) to Morden via Bank service. Both could maintain 30 trains per hour that way. There wouldn’t be much difference except you’d be forced to change at Kennington at all hours rather than having peaks/late evening journeys through to Morden via Charing Cross as we do now. My concern at Clapham North and Clapham Common is more for the >30 increases. Before the next train pull in passengers from the first train will still be on the platform. The problem is twofold at these stations as you have both directions on these small islands. You also cannot underestimate the induced demand to off-peak enchantments. Without spending vast sums of money on rebuilding, one station could be served only by northbound trains and one station only by southbound trains with the opposite platform fenced off? It's only a short walk between the two.
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Post by M1104 on Oct 1, 2020 10:20:38 GMT
Without spending vast sums of money on rebuilding, one station could be served only by northbound trains and one station only by southbound trains with the opposite platform fenced off? It's only a short walk between the two. Perhaps an 'in-between solution' is to excavate one side of their station walls for a second platform plus accessibility so that the train doors then open on the left side. The existing island platform can then be maintained as it is for opposite-bound trains with a platform barrier in place seperating the side of the platform from the other train's new arrangement. I believe there's at least one station on the Glasgow Underground that was amended this way as most if not all their stations are island platforms. Overall costs would be less (compared to the Angel rebuild) as trains wouldn't need to be rerouted onto any new tracks through any new tunnels.
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Post by busman on Oct 1, 2020 11:39:24 GMT
They have the audacity to ask for another £1bn for a further upgrade to the Lizzie Line 😭
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Post by John tuthill on Oct 1, 2020 12:29:48 GMT
My concern at Clapham North and Clapham Common is more for the >30 increases. Before the next train pull in passengers from the first train will still be on the platform. The problem is twofold at these stations as you have both directions on these small islands. You also cannot underestimate the induced demand to off-peak enchantments. Without spending vast sums of money on rebuilding, one station could be served only by northbound trains and one station only by southbound trains with the opposite platform fenced off? It's only a short walk between the two. Or use one of the three bus routes that run parallel to the UG
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