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Post by wirewiper on Oct 8, 2020 6:51:37 GMT
Perhaps call the line going via Charing Cross the West End line and and the Bank branch London Bridge and City! Now putting my head above the parapet, is it right to split the Northern line? Is the TfL aspiration of 30 tph still needed? Post Covid-19 there are likely to be far fewer office workers and this will impact the Northern line. 30 tph is only really needed for the morning and evening peaks, a relatively short time. If there is less demand in the peaks, 30 tph may not be required. It will cost millions to modify Camden Town and that money could be saved. I also wonder the expansion of Bank station will actually be required. The splitting of the line will upset LOTS and LOTS of customers who will no longer have a direct train. Keeping the line as it is may well be the best way forward. Further if a capacity increase really is needed, let the Jubilee line keep its trains and put the new trains on the Northern line. The new walk-through trains would increase Northern line capacity. Following Covid-19 the Jubilee line may not the capacity increase. I think TfL should wait and see what happens post Covid-19 before making such decisions. Whatever money there is for capital projects will need to be spent wisely and effectively, and it is less than clear that these are the best uses. You have to keep an eye on the long term though, even if the plans were to be approved tomorrow there will be a long lead time before the plans for the Northern and Jubilee Lines come to full fruition. The Underground has struggled in the past because decisions to cut or delay spending, capacity upgrades etc. were taken for short term economy and did not allow investment for demand increasing when the economic situation improved. Economists have referred to short-termism as "The British Disease". |
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Post by routew15 on Oct 8, 2020 8:36:11 GMT
Perhaps call the line going via Charing Cross the West End line and and the Bank branch London Bridge and City! Now putting my head above the parapet, is it right to split the Northern line? Is the TfL aspiration of 30 tph still needed? Post Covid-19 there are likely to be far fewer office workers and this will impact the Northern line. 30 tph is only really needed for the morning and evening peaks, a relatively short time. If there is less demand in the peaks, 30 tph may not be required. It will cost millions to modify Camden Town and that money could be saved. I also wonder the expansion of Bank station will actually be required. The splitting of the line will upset LOTS and LOTS of customers who will no longer have a direct train. Keeping the line as it is may well be the best way forward. Further if a capacity increase really is needed, let the Jubilee line keep its trains and put the new trains on the Northern line. The new walk-through trains would increase Northern line capacity. Following Covid-19 the Jubilee line may not the capacity increase. I think TfL should wait and see what happens post Covid-19 before making such decisions. Whatever money there is for capital projects will need to be spent wisely and effectively, and it is less than clear that these are the best uses. I would argue 30 tph is still required for both branches of the Northern Line long term. I think the Camden Town upgrade is overdue. Having used Bank Station throughout the pandemic, I would say that the station is returning to busy levels. Nothing near the dangerous overcrowding seen pre-pandemic. From my observations the station is mainly an interchange between the various lines and the upgrade will be needed to aid this I think. The routes to and from Northern Line are not acceptable all via narrow staircases. An advantage the pandemic may have presented (depending on how 2021 pans out) is the Elizabeth Line may not need to be operational for displaced passengers to reach the City. The Waterloo & City line could be reopened and be used instead without being overloaded. I agree, at 6 cars long the Northern Line is surely the route that needs to be maximising per train capacity. Whilst I appreciate overcrowding is an issue on the Jubilee Line, it is frustrating to see that it jumps the queue for new trains. Again I would disagree with the post COVID wait and see tactic as the Jubilee is still very busy peak hours. I do not feel that the new trains will be the solution to the problems. The Bakerloo Line extension and South Eastern metro is more likely beneficial to relieving Jubilee line woes. |
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Post by redbus on Oct 8, 2020 18:18:07 GMT
Perhaps call the line going via Charing Cross the West End line and and the Bank branch London Bridge and City! Now putting my head above the parapet, is it right to split the Northern line? Is the TfL aspiration of 30 tph still needed? Post Covid-19 there are likely to be far fewer office workers and this will impact the Northern line. 30 tph is only really needed for the morning and evening peaks, a relatively short time. If there is less demand in the peaks, 30 tph may not be required. It will cost millions to modify Camden Town and that money could be saved. I also wonder the expansion of Bank station will actually be required. The splitting of the line will upset LOTS and LOTS of customers who will no longer have a direct train. Keeping the line as it is may well be the best way forward. Further if a capacity increase really is needed, let the Jubilee line keep its trains and put the new trains on the Northern line. The new walk-through trains would increase Northern line capacity. Following Covid-19 the Jubilee line may not the capacity increase. I think TfL should wait and see what happens post Covid-19 before making such decisions. Whatever money there is for capital projects will need to be spent wisely and effectively, and it is less than clear that these are the best uses. You have to keep an eye on the long term though, even if the plans were to be approved tomorrow there will be a long lead time before the plans for the Northern and Jubilee Lines come to full fruition. The Underground has struggled in the past because decisions to cut or delay spending, capacity upgrades etc. were taken for short term economy and did not allow investment for demand increasing when the economic situation improved. Economists have referred to short-termism as "The British Disease". I agree 100% about the long term, you are very much preaching to the converted. The problem is that I fear there is seismic long term change from Covid-19, and we need to plan for the new long term which may be quite different from what was thought. I simply don't have a crystal ball to say what that will be and whilst I have my own ideas, you need to be pretty sure given the amounts that the projects will cost. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 9, 2020 21:29:53 GMT
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