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Post by bus12451 on Oct 4, 2020 12:33:19 GMT
I think the Barnet-Morden route should remain as the Northern Line as it was the planned takeover of the Great Northern suburban branches that inspired its naming (in the event, only High Barnet and the short stub to Mill Hill East were completed). Perhaps the Battersea-Edgware route could take inspiration from the Bakerloo (Baker Street & Waterloo Railway), and become the Batterdware. On second thoughts, maybe not .... 'City line' for Barnet-Morden. I wouldn't rename it as the "City Line" because it would have to involve the removal of "City" from the Hammersmith and Waterloo & City lines to avoid confusion. "Morden & City" or "Barnet & City" could work though.
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Post by vjaska on Oct 4, 2020 13:03:55 GMT
'City line' for Barnet-Morden. I wouldn't rename it as the "City Line" because it would have to involve the removal of "City" from the Hammersmith and Waterloo & City lines to avoid confusion. "Morden & City" or "Barnet & City" could work though. The Morden & City Line has a nice ring to it
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 4, 2020 13:28:18 GMT
'City line' for Barnet-Morden. I wouldn't rename it as the "City Line" because it would have to involve the removal of "City" from the Hammersmith and Waterloo & City lines to avoid confusion. "Morden & City" or "Barnet & City" could work though. Perhaps 'Bank line'? As I think Bank station was originally called City.
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Post by Alex on Oct 4, 2020 13:51:48 GMT
I would leave the Charing Cross branch service (Battersea to Edgware) as Northern line and rename the other as City & South London line, as a nod to the company that built quite a chunk of the route. Had to chip in as this is something I’ve thought about before.....
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Post by busoccultation on Oct 4, 2020 14:07:27 GMT
For me I'd keep the Morden to High Barnet/Mill Hill East via Bank as the Northern Line retaining the Black colour and give a new name/colour for Battersea to Edgware via Charing Cross.
With the colour, I would like to see Gold as the new colour as a reference to Golders Green if the Edgware branch gets the new colour.
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 4, 2020 15:51:24 GMT
For me I'd keep the Morden to High Barnet/Mill Hill East via Bank as the Northern Line retaining the Black colour and give a new name/colour for Battersea to Edgware via Charing Cross.
With the colour, I would like to see Gold as the new colour as a reference to Golders Green if the Edgware branch gets the new colour.
It could even be renamed the Golders Line, commemorating the first London suburb to be created by the Underground. The Underground Electric Railway Group had planned a Charing Cross to Hampstead Line, but terminating the line at Hampstead would potentially mean having an underground depot, the cost of which would have been phenomenal. The solution was to bring the line to the surface and construct a depot above ground; the line would terminate close to what was then a crossroads in the middle of open countryside. The crossroads was thought to be named after a local farmer. A new suburb quickly grew up around the new terminus; so successful was this in attracting custom to the new line that in the 1920s the UERG proposed a new extension into the countryside to terminate at the village of Edgware. This already had a railway, the Great Northern Railway branch line from Finsbury Park over which operated an infrequent steam-hauled service, but the new electric Underground line followed a different route through open countryside and attracted suburban development along its length. Ironically some of the houses in the new suburb of Golders Green were demolished to make room for this further extension. The area around the new line is strongly associated with London's Jewish community. In the 1920s many Jews in the East End of London were becoming more prosperous and could afford to move out to better housing in the new suburbs. During the 1930s they were joined by wealthier European Jews who could afford to flee the worsening situation on the Continent; it was only natural for many of them to seek out an area where there was already a Jewish community establishing itself. Another tidbit: between Hampstead and Golders Green trains pass the platforms of a station that was never opened. A station was planned on Hampstead Way, close to its junction with North End Way, and was to be named Bull & Bush after a large pub nearby. No station building was constructed as the creation of the Hampstead Heath Extension limited the amount of new housing that could be built in the vicinity. The site of the planned station building is marked by a circular ventilation shaft which can just be seen from the top deck of a 210 bus.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 4, 2020 15:56:36 GMT
There would also be a logic to call them the Bank and Charing Cross Lines as all the destination announcements for many years have been via Bank or Charing Cross as appropriate.
Most outrageous idea yet. So much so that I would hate this to happen but ..... You remember how the Fleet Line was renamed the Jubilee Line during the year of the Silver Jubilee? Well, because of an unforgettable event from 2020 the new line could be called the Corona Line!
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Post by M1104 on Oct 4, 2020 16:15:42 GMT
'City line' for Barnet-Morden. I wouldn't rename it as the "City Line" because it would have to involve the removal of "City" from the Hammersmith and Waterloo & City lines to avoid confusion. "Morden & City" or "Barnet & City" could work though. I can imagine however possible local disputes as to why it's named after Morden and the City excluding Barnet, or vise versa.
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Post by bus12451 on Oct 4, 2020 16:44:53 GMT
I wouldn't rename it as the "City Line" because it would have to involve the removal of "City" from the Hammersmith and Waterloo & City lines to avoid confusion. "Morden & City" or "Barnet & City" could work though. I can imagine however possible local disputes as to why it's named after Morden and the City excluding Barnet, or vise versa. Good point although the same could be said for the Hammersmith & City Line, which no one seemed to have a problem with. That line gets its name from being the Hammersmith branch of the Metropolitan Line. A Northern Line name change to what I've suggested would fall under the same reasoning, although it is important to note that my suggestion would only work for the Bank branch, due to passing through the City of London, hence the "City" in the name. Another one that I've thought of, similar to the Bakerloo Line: the Charing Cross branch of the Northern Line (Battersea PS - Edgware) could also be renamed to "Hampsterloo Line" which acknowledges the fact that it passes through Hampstead and Waterloo, I find this one quite funny.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 4, 2020 19:53:13 GMT
I can imagine however possible local disputes as to why it's named after Morden and the City excluding Barnet, or vise versa. Good point although the same could be said for the Hammersmith & City Line, which no one seemed to have a problem with. That line gets its name from being the Hammersmith branch of the Metropolitan Line. A Northern Line name change to what I've suggested would fall under the same reasoning, although it is important to note that my suggestion would only work for the Bank branch, due to passing through the City of London, hence the "City" in the name. Another one that I've thought of, similar to the Bakerloo Line: the Charing Cross branch of the Northern Line (Battersea PS - Edgware) could also be renamed to "Hampsterloo Line" which acknowledges the fact that it passes through Hampstead and Waterloo, I find this one quite funny. That would bring back memories of a certain Siberian hamster.
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Post by bus12451 on Oct 4, 2020 19:59:47 GMT
Good point although the same could be said for the Hammersmith & City Line, which no one seemed to have a problem with. That line gets its name from being the Hammersmith branch of the Metropolitan Line. A Northern Line name change to what I've suggested would fall under the same reasoning, although it is important to note that my suggestion would only work for the Bank branch, due to passing through the City of London, hence the "City" in the name. Another one that I've thought of, similar to the Bakerloo Line: the Charing Cross branch of the Northern Line (Battersea PS - Edgware) could also be renamed to "Hampsterloo Line" which acknowledges the fact that it passes through Hampstead and Waterloo, I find this one quite funny. That would bring back memories of a certain Siberian hamster. Exactly what I was thinking. (and yes, I'm aware of the spelling difference)
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Post by route53 on Oct 5, 2020 11:33:56 GMT
I agree with renaming the Northern line completely, especially since the line in its current form actually goes further south than it does north. The CX branch will become the Hampstead & West End Line and the City branch will be the City & South London Line, it’ll be a fresh start for both new lines to make a clean break from the poor reputation the Northern Line has plus they will go back to their original names.
As for the DLR to Thamesmead, I completely agree that this should take priority over the Bakerloo extension (which I believe should just be extended to Camberwell, another area with poor rail links), Thamesmead is in far greater need of a rail link than Lewisham is, plus this should relieve the pressure off Abbey Wood.
The fact is the DLR is basically doing what the planners intended the Jubilee Line was supposed to do, give South East London a tube/metro service to the centre of London, CrossRail will also fulfil this role but also give Thamesmead a rail link, which in a parallel universe is the terminal for the Fleet/River line
I bet Hayes line users are happy that their rail service and their 2tph semi fast service to Charing Cross, is safe for at least for another couple of decades
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 5, 2020 11:38:03 GMT
I agree with renaming the Northern line completely, especially since the line in its current form actually goes further south than it does north. The CX branch will become the Hampstead & West End Line and the City branch will be the City & South London Line, it’ll be a fresh start for both new lines to make a clean break from the poor reputation the Northern Line has plus they will go back to their original names. As for the DLR to Thamesmead, I completely agree that this should take priority over the Bakerloo extension (which I believe should just be extended to Camberwell, another area with poor rail links), Thamesmead is in far greater need of a rail link than Lewisham is, plus this should relieve the pressure off Abbey Wood. The fact is the DLR is basically doing what the planners intended the Jubilee Line was supposed to do, give South East London a tube/metro service to the centre of London, CrossRail will also fulfil this role but also give Thamesmead a rail link, which in a parallel universe is the terminal for the Fleet/River line I bet Hayes line users are happy that their rail service and their 2tph semi fast service to Charing Cross, is safe for at least for another couple of decades So does this mean that the new northern lines are now favourites to go driverless over the Piccadilly?
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Post by M1104 on Oct 5, 2020 11:54:49 GMT
I agree with renaming the Northern line completely, especially since the line in its current form actually goes further south than it does north. The CX branch will become the Hampstead & West End Line and the City branch will be the City & South London Line, it’ll be a fresh start for both new lines to make a clean break from the poor reputation the Northern Line has plus they will go back to their original names. As for the DLR to Thamesmead, I completely agree that this should take priority over the Bakerloo extension (which I believe should just be extended to Camberwell, another area with poor rail links), Thamesmead is in far greater need of a rail link than Lewisham is, plus this should relieve the pressure off Abbey Wood. The fact is the DLR is basically doing what the planners intended the Jubilee Line was supposed to do, give South East London a tube/metro service to the centre of London, CrossRail will also fulfil this role but also give Thamesmead a rail link, which in a parallel universe is the terminal for the Fleet/River line I bet Hayes line users are happy that their rail service and their 2tph semi fast service to Charing Cross, is safe for at least for another couple of decades The Northern Line actually goes further North than South (Morden zone 4, Edgware/Barnet zone 5), unless you meant that it goes further South than any other tube line. It is indeed a pity the Bakerloo Line couldn't be extended to Camberwell as was the intention prior to World War Two. The present extension could still go ahead in due course with Camberwell being the 'Mill Hill East' of the Bakerloo in being a one station branch off (trains branching off after Lambeth North to the 'present Elephant & Castle' Station towards Camberwell or into the intended 'new Elephant & Castle' Station towards Lewisham).
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Post by vjaska on Oct 5, 2020 12:40:40 GMT
I agree with renaming the Northern line completely, especially since the line in its current form actually goes further south than it does north. The CX branch will become the Hampstead & West End Line and the City branch will be the City & South London Line, it’ll be a fresh start for both new lines to make a clean break from the poor reputation the Northern Line has plus they will go back to their original names. As for the DLR to Thamesmead, I completely agree that this should take priority over the Bakerloo extension (which I believe should just be extended to Camberwell, another area with poor rail links), Thamesmead is in far greater need of a rail link than Lewisham is, plus this should relieve the pressure off Abbey Wood. The fact is the DLR is basically doing what the planners intended the Jubilee Line was supposed to do, give South East London a tube/metro service to the centre of London, CrossRail will also fulfil this role but also give Thamesmead a rail link, which in a parallel universe is the terminal for the Fleet/River line I bet Hayes line users are happy that their rail service and their 2tph semi fast service to Charing Cross, is safe for at least for another couple of decades I don’t agree with renaming both lines especially because of supposed poor reputation because AFAIK, since ATO was fitted to the Northern Line a number of years back, it’s greatly improved and certainly the many times I’ve used it, it’s been fine.
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