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Post by snowman on Oct 9, 2020 9:28:09 GMT
New Consultation Cutting Marble Arch - Maida Hill section of 414 This section is over-bussed and duplicates route 6 so proposal is to shorten 414 to Marble Arch consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/route-414/I am guessing would save about 5-6 buses, PVR is currently 22 It is an Abellio route from QB, but as it uses 11 year old buses, so no idea where they might be redeployed Not sure where the stand space at Marble Arch is coming from either, there has been proposals in past to shorten other routes to Marble Arch, but they didn't happen due to lack of stand space. The map is not detailed enough to indicate the stand, just proposed first and last stop.
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Post by greenboy on Oct 9, 2020 9:34:04 GMT
Should have been done a long time ago, in the circumstances I don't know why TfL can't suspend that section of the 414 with immediate effect and put the buses to better use elsewhere such as the N3 mentioned in a previous post.
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Oct 9, 2020 9:41:45 GMT
This is a very good idea and should happened a long time ago. All in all, the 414 will be a much smaller route when it gets retendered this time around. It will be interesting to see the outcome of its tender. This may work in Abellio’s favour in retaining the route although Go-Ahead may be even more interested in the route with its proposed curtailment.
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Oct 9, 2020 9:50:30 GMT
New Consultation Cutting Marble Arch - Maida Hill section of 414 This section is over-bussed and duplicates route 6 so proposal is to shorten 414 to Marble Arch consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/route-414/I am guessing would save about 5-6 buses, PVR is currently 22 It is an Abellio route from QB, but as it uses 11 year old buses, so no idea where they might be redeployed Not sure where the stand space at Marble Arch is coming from either, there has been proposals in past to shorten other routes to Marble Arch, but they didn't happen due to lack of stand space. The map is not detailed enough to indicate the stand, just proposed first and last stop. The E400s currently on route 414 will most likely be withdrawn from London service come next autumn most likely after its contract is renewed. I wouldn’t be surprised if they became part of Abellio’s Rail Replacement fleet. On the stand space issue, maybe the 159 will be cut to Oxford Circus permanently next year.
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Post by M1104 on Oct 9, 2020 10:27:18 GMT
A rather interesting proposal, considering that baring the odd half mile along Park Lane the 414 will be a short running of the 14.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 10:33:11 GMT
A rather interesting proposal, considering that baring the odd half mile along Park Lane the 414 will be a short running of the 14....somewhat like the 45 is respectively with the 35. Frankly they should just withdraw the 414 and increase the PVR on the 14 to make up the difference. Presumably though it is cheaper this way to reduce and negotiate a new tender on a much cheaper rate than increase the premium rates on the 14.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Oct 9, 2020 10:38:00 GMT
I'll give my view
This is likely going to be the end of the 414 unless it gets some form of change (maybe where it is extended to Lancaster Gate via St Mary's Hospital)
The 414 is one of those routes which sadly may die, the 94 is another if the proposed cut goes ahead and I could also see the 159 going with maybe the 3 restructured to go back to Oxford Circus.
I think this was a long time coming
EDIT: I think maybe a PVR increase on the 14 may not be very good as that'll overbus other corridors, maybe the 414 could run a Marble Arch (or proposed Lancaster Gate changes I suggested) to Putney Heath with the 14 cut back to Putney High Street
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Post by M1104 on Oct 9, 2020 10:44:35 GMT
A rather interesting proposal, considering that baring the odd half mile along Park Lane the 414 will be a short running of the 14....somewhat like the 45 is respectively with the 35. Frankly they should just withdraw the 414 and increase the PVR on the 14 to make up the difference. Presumably though it is cheaper this way to reduce and negotiate a new tender on a much cheaper rate than increase the premium rates on the 14. Perhaps an extention beyond Putney Bridge to Wandsworth could prove useful. The 414 would be that 'bit less' distinctive from the 14 as well as providing the Wandsworth area a direct link with Harrods, South Kensington (and museums), Hyde Park and Oxford Street at Marble Arch. The argument however may be that Putney Bridge Road will become overbussed, unless the 220 or 270 is then played around with.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 10:59:31 GMT
Frankly they should just withdraw the 414 and increase the PVR on the 14 to make up the difference. Presumably though it is cheaper this way to reduce and negotiate a new tender on a much cheaper rate than increase the premium rates on the 14. Perhaps an extention beyond Putney Bridge to Wandsworth could prove useful. The 414 would be that 'bit less' distinctive from the 14 as well as providing the Wandsworth area a direct link with Harrods, South Kensington (and museums), Hyde Park and Oxford Street at Marble Arch. Perhaps an extension to Hammersmith Bridge replacing the 378 could prove useful.
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Post by snowman on Oct 9, 2020 11:01:23 GMT
New Consultation Cutting Marble Arch - Maida Hill section of 414 This section is over-bussed and duplicates route 6 so proposal is to shorten 414 to Marble Arch consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/route-414/I am guessing would save about 5-6 buses, PVR is currently 22 It is an Abellio route from QB, but as it uses 11 year old buses, so no idea where they might be redeployed Not sure where the stand space at Marble Arch is coming from either, there has been proposals in past to shorten other routes to Marble Arch, but they didn't happen due to lack of stand space. The map is not detailed enough to indicate the stand, just proposed first and last stop. The E400s currently on route 414 will most likely be withdrawn from London service come next autumn most likely after its contract is renewed. I wouldn’t be surprised if they became part of Abellio’s Rail Replacement fleet. On the stand space issue, maybe the 159 will be cut to Oxford Circus permanently next year. Yes, good point regarding 414 contract expiry Just checked the (revised date) tender programme, it is in tranche 756 (with routes 14, N14, 74, N74, 157, 430), the invitation to tender was few weeks ago, bids are due in 20th Oct, contract ends 20th Nov 2021. The consultation closes 1 month after Operators submit bids (so seems consultation is done deal, just for show)
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 9, 2020 11:05:06 GMT
The E400s currently on route 414 will most likely be withdrawn from London service come next autumn most likely after its contract is renewed. I wouldn’t be surprised if they became part of Abellio’s Rail Replacement fleet. On the stand space issue, maybe the 159 will be cut to Oxford Circus permanently next year. Yes, good point regarding 414 contract expiry Just checked the (revised date) tender programme, it is in tranche 756 (with routes 14, N14, 74, N74, 157, 430), the invitation to tender was few weeks ago, bids are due in 20th Oct, contract ends 20th Nov 2021. The consultation closes 1 month after Operators submit bids (so seems consultation is done deal, just for show) It is in a tranche of its own, all the others received two year extensions.
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Post by Green Kitten on Oct 9, 2020 11:05:34 GMT
What a pointless route this new 414 will end up to be, it will just duplicate the 14 and 74. Might as well bin it.
I like the idea of extending the new route to Wandsworth. I imagine that is one of the busier sections of the 220, which could be reduced slightly overall (might not be appropriate as Westfield to Harlesden is also very busy) though TfL are in dire straits due to mad lockdowns.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 11:07:44 GMT
What a pointless route this new 414 will end up to be, it will just duplicate the 14 and 74. Might as well bin it. I like the idea of extending the new route to Wandsworth. I imagine that is one of the busier sections of the 220, which could be reduced slightly overall (might not be appropriate as Westfield to Harlesden is also very busy) though TfL are in dire straits due to mad lockdowns. Putney to Wandsworth is actually the quietest section of the 220, but it’s all dependent on whether a 270 turns up first. After Putney it tends to get very busy and beyond Hammersmith it’s rammed.
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Post by busman on Oct 9, 2020 11:18:13 GMT
I’m not a user of the 414, but could someone who uses the route tell me the point of having the 414 between Marble Arch and Putney? The 74 provides an end to end link between Marble Arch, Hyde Park, South Kensington and Putney, the 14 is duplicated between Hyde Park and Putney, and for users at the Maida Hill end it’s quicker to get a 328 and change in Fulham for destinations south of Fulham. Does the 14 need help between Hyde Park and Putney Bridge?
I’m not saying the route should or shouldn’t be cut completely, I’m just trying to understand the rationale for the revised 414. If someone suggested that route in the fantasy thread, I’m pretty sure they would be shot down.
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 9, 2020 11:21:26 GMT
The E400s currently on route 414 will most likely be withdrawn from London service come next autumn most likely after its contract is renewed. I wouldn’t be surprised if they became part of Abellio’s Rail Replacement fleet. On the stand space issue, maybe the 159 will be cut to Oxford Circus permanently next year. Yes, good point regarding 414 contract expiry Just checked the (revised date) tender programme, it is in tranche 756 (with routes 14, N14, 74, N74, 157, 430), the invitation to tender was few weeks ago, bids are due in 20th Oct, contract ends 20th Nov 2021. The consultation closes 1 month after Operators submit bids (so seems consultation is done deal, just for show) With the 414 due for retender soon, this cutback might affect which operators can bid for it. Metroline and RATP would have been quite viable options at Maida Hill, but a bit far from Marble Arch, probably reducing bidders to Abellio, Go Ahead and Tower Transit. Also Tower Transit would no longer have the advantage of the Maida Hill terminus being very close to X.
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