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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2021 20:32:54 GMT
That would leave the Old Brompton Road to just the C1 and take away links from Roehampton to Lillie Road and West Brompton. If Fulham Road could cope with just the 14 then Id say withdraw the 414. No, send the 414 via the 430 so everything is covered,
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Post by lundnah on Sept 27, 2021 21:04:10 GMT
My favourite part of the consultation report is the incorrect Underground station in the final conclusion:
"Having analysed the comments made during the consultation period and taking in to account our forecasted passenger numbers along the northern section of route 414 between Marble Arch and Maida Vale, we have decided that we are going to go ahead with the proposals and curtail route 414 at Marble Arch.
The busiest part of this section is at Edgware London Underground Station. The current frequency of route 6 provides more capacity on this section than is needed so passengers will be able to use route 6 instead."
Makes you wonder about the accuracy of the rest of it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 13:59:12 GMT
My favourite part of the consultation report is the incorrect Underground station in the final conclusion:
"Having analysed the comments made during the consultation period and taking in to account our forecasted passenger numbers along the northern section of route 414 between Marble Arch and Maida Vale, we have decided that we are going to go ahead with the proposals and curtail route 414 at Marble Arch. 414 never served Maida Vale I believe!
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 18, 2021 14:05:43 GMT
My favourite part of the consultation report is the incorrect Underground station in the final conclusion:
"Having analysed the comments made during the consultation period and taking in to account our forecasted passenger numbers along the northern section of route 414 between Marble Arch and Maida Vale, we have decided that we are going to go ahead with the proposals and curtail route 414 at Marble Arch. 414 never served Maida Vale I believe! It did when it was introduced in November 2002, but was rerouted to Maida Hill at the end of January 2005 to support route 6.
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 18, 2021 16:25:20 GMT
A simple solution? Don't renew the 430 contract, or terminate it early. Reroute the 414 via the 430 with extension to Roehampton. Compensation to Go Ahead could be an extension to the current 14 contract with the addition of say 5 buses to overall pvr. 414 would be Marble Arch to Roehampton. That would effectively be scrapping the 414 and extending the 430 from South Kensington to Marble Arch. I think TfL are unlikely to want two routes (74 and whichever of the 414/430) running over the South Kensington to Marble Arch section in future. Other corridors in the West End are served by a single route these days and this would be no different. The simplest way of restructuring routes here would probably be to increase frequencies on both the 14 and 74, withdrawing both the 414 and 430. The 74 would then be extended to Roehampton, and made 24-hour. Could possibly be cut back from Baker Street to Marble Arch, depending on demand. And finally cover Old Brompton Road by extending the 190 to South Kensington (& likely converted to DDs). Or an alternative suggestion that I think has been made before, would be to merge the 23 & 414 to operate between Westbourne Park and Putney Bridge, then re-increase the 9's frequency to cover the section to Hammersmith.
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Post by vjaska on Oct 18, 2021 18:18:05 GMT
That would effectively be scrapping the 414 and extending the 430 from South Kensington to Marble Arch. I think TfL are unlikely to want two routes (74 and whichever of the 414/430) running over the South Kensington to Marble Arch section in future. Other corridors in the West End are served by a single route these days and this would be no different. The simplest way of restructuring routes here would probably be to increase frequencies on both the 14 and 74, withdrawing both the 414 and 430. The 74 would then be extended to Roehampton, and made 24-hour. Could possibly be cut back from Baker Street to Marble Arch, depending on demand. And finally cover Old Brompton Road by extending the 190 to South Kensington (& likely converted to DDs). Or an alternative suggestion that I think has been made before, would be to merge the 23 & 414 to operate between Westbourne Park and Putney Bridge, then re-increase the 9's frequency to cover the section to Hammersmith. In order for the 74 to return to Roehampton, it would have to be cut back at the northern end but as usual, Marble Arch isn’t ideal because of stand space and where the final stop is situated
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Post by YX10FFN on Oct 18, 2021 18:38:21 GMT
That would effectively be scrapping the 414 and extending the 430 from South Kensington to Marble Arch. I think TfL are unlikely to want two routes (74 and whichever of the 414/430) running over the South Kensington to Marble Arch section in future. Other corridors in the West End are served by a single route these days and this would be no different. The simplest way of restructuring routes here would probably be to increase frequencies on both the 14 and 74, withdrawing both the 414 and 430. The 74 would then be extended to Roehampton, and made 24-hour. Could possibly be cut back from Baker Street to Marble Arch, depending on demand. And finally cover Old Brompton Road by extending the 190 to South Kensington (& likely converted to DDs). Or an alternative suggestion that I think has been made before, would be to merge the 23 & 414 to operate between Westbourne Park and Putney Bridge, then re-increase the 9's frequency to cover the section to Hammersmith. This is putting a lot of pressure on already busy trunk routes here, especially the 9. TFL were in the doghouse when they decided to withdraw the 10 but covering that section by rerouting the 23 was the only redeemable aspect of that scheme. That section simply has to be worked by 2 routes, the 9 is already busy from serving the West End and without an easy tube link, the Hammersmith-Knightsbridge corridor is well used at all times of the day. They've also just cut the 9 frequency so doubt they'll turn around and take the 23 away from Hammersmith.
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 18, 2021 19:07:06 GMT
The simplest way of restructuring routes here would probably be to increase frequencies on both the 14 and 74, withdrawing both the 414 and 430. The 74 would then be extended to Roehampton, and made 24-hour. Could possibly be cut back from Baker Street to Marble Arch, depending on demand. And finally cover Old Brompton Road by extending the 190 to South Kensington (& likely converted to DDs). Or an alternative suggestion that I think has been made before, would be to merge the 23 & 414 to operate between Westbourne Park and Putney Bridge, then re-increase the 9's frequency to cover the section to Hammersmith. This is putting a lot of pressure on already busy trunk routes here, especially the 9. TFL were in the doghouse when they decided to withdraw the 10 but covering that section by rerouting the 23 was the only redeemable aspect of that scheme. That section simply has to be worked by 2 routes, the 9 is already busy from serving the West End and without an easy tube link, the Hammersmith-Knightsbridge corridor is well used at all times of the day. They've also just cut the 9 frequency so doubt they'll turn around and take the 23 away from Hammersmith. In reality though are the 9, 23 and 27 that busy nowadays. In the past yes there had always been either the 9 and 73 then 9 and 10 between HPC and Hammersmith but in more recent times I have seem the 23 very lightly used on that stretch. Possibly due to the fact there aren't the passengers who would have boarded along Oxford Street anymore as many won't walk to Marble Arch to get the 23.
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Post by YX10FFN on Oct 18, 2021 19:15:28 GMT
This is putting a lot of pressure on already busy trunk routes here, especially the 9. TFL were in the doghouse when they decided to withdraw the 10 but covering that section by rerouting the 23 was the only redeemable aspect of that scheme. That section simply has to be worked by 2 routes, the 9 is already busy from serving the West End and without an easy tube link, the Hammersmith-Knightsbridge corridor is well used at all times of the day. They've also just cut the 9 frequency so doubt they'll turn around and take the 23 away from Hammersmith. In reality though are the 9, 23 and 27 that busy nowadays. In the past yes there had always been either the 9 and 73 then 9 and 10 between HPC and Hammersmith but in more recent times I have seem the 23 very lightly used on that stretch. Possibly due to the fact there aren't the passengers who would have boarded along Oxford Street anymore as many won't walk to Marble Arch to get the 23. 27 has certainly seen a drop west of Kensington due to its cutback. The indirect nature of the 23 coming into Hyde Park Corner means that you're right, not having the Oxford Street connection has removed a link and a popular one at that. But I still think there's enough demand west of HPC to maintain the service pattern, especially with the cuts to the 9. As with all Central London corridors, our impression of demand has been skewed by Covid. Providing less service on key trunk routes will in the short term saturate the existing network, and in the long term make buses look more unattractive.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 19:39:33 GMT
That would effectively be scrapping the 414 and extending the 430 from South Kensington to Marble Arch. I think TfL are unlikely to want two routes (74 and whichever of the 414/430) running over the South Kensington to Marble Arch section in future. Other corridors in the West End are served by a single route these days and this would be no different. The simplest way of restructuring routes here would probably be to increase frequencies on both the 14 and 74, withdrawing both the 414 and 430. The 74 would then be extended to Roehampton, and made 24-hour. Could possibly be cut back from Baker Street to Marble Arch, depending on demand. And finally cover Old Brompton Road by extending the 190 to South Kensington (& likely converted to DDs). Or an alternative suggestion that I think has been made before, would be to merge the 23 & 414 to operate between Westbourne Park and Putney Bridge, then re-increase the 9's frequency to cover the section to Hammersmith. The 74 is fine as it is IMO, same with the 430. Rather than withdraw the 414 completely, it should be rerouted somewhere else like there have been suggestions in the past to reroute west of Fulham Broadway to Wandsworth
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Post by greenboy on Oct 18, 2021 20:00:38 GMT
That would effectively be scrapping the 414 and extending the 430 from South Kensington to Marble Arch. I think TfL are unlikely to want two routes (74 and whichever of the 414/430) running over the South Kensington to Marble Arch section in future. Other corridors in the West End are served by a single route these days and this would be no different. The simplest way of restructuring routes here would probably be to increase frequencies on both the 14 and 74, withdrawing both the 414 and 430. The 74 would then be extended to Roehampton, and made 24-hour. Could possibly be cut back from Baker Street to Marble Arch, depending on demand. And finally cover Old Brompton Road by extending the 190 to South Kensington (& likely converted to DDs). Or an alternative suggestion that I think has been made before, would be to merge the 23 & 414 to operate between Westbourne Park and Putney Bridge, then re-increase the 9's frequency to cover the section to Hammersmith. I wouldn't disagree with any of that, or keep the 414 and reroute it at Hyde Park Corner to Russell Square and curtail the 14 at Piccadilly Circus and extend it at the other end to Roehampton. Increasing the 14 puts more buses on Putney High Street.
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Post by greenboy on Oct 18, 2021 20:06:48 GMT
This is putting a lot of pressure on already busy trunk routes here, especially the 9. TFL were in the doghouse when they decided to withdraw the 10 but covering that section by rerouting the 23 was the only redeemable aspect of that scheme. That section simply has to be worked by 2 routes, the 9 is already busy from serving the West End and without an easy tube link, the Hammersmith-Knightsbridge corridor is well used at all times of the day. They've also just cut the 9 frequency so doubt they'll turn around and take the 23 away from Hammersmith. In reality though are the 9, 23 and 27 that busy nowadays. In the past yes there had always been either the 9 and 73 then 9 and 10 between HPC and Hammersmith but in more recent times I have seem the 23 very lightly used on that stretch. Possibly due to the fact there aren't the passengers who would have boarded along Oxford Street anymore as many won't walk to Marble Arch to get the 23. I agree and in the latter days of the 10 it wasn't really that busy. I think the 9 has always been the more popular route and I wouldn't be surprised if the 23 was axed and the 9 increased.
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Post by evergreenadam on Oct 19, 2021 11:03:26 GMT
In reality though are the 9, 23 and 27 that busy nowadays. In the past yes there had always been either the 9 and 73 then 9 and 10 between HPC and Hammersmith but in more recent times I have seem the 23 very lightly used on that stretch. Possibly due to the fact there aren't the passengers who would have boarded along Oxford Street anymore as many won't walk to Marble Arch to get the 23. I agree and in the latter days of the 10 it wasn't really that busy. I think the 9 has always been the more popular route and I wouldn't be surprised if the 23 was axed and the 9 increased. Yes I see lots of empty 23s now, without the direct service into Oxford Street it is pretty useless on the Hammersmith section.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 23, 2021 21:14:27 GMT
This is putting a lot of pressure on already busy trunk routes here, especially the 9. TFL were in the doghouse when they decided to withdraw the 10 but covering that section by rerouting the 23 was the only redeemable aspect of that scheme. That section simply has to be worked by 2 routes, the 9 is already busy from serving the West End and without an easy tube link, the Hammersmith-Knightsbridge corridor is well used at all times of the day. They've also just cut the 9 frequency so doubt they'll turn around and take the 23 away from Hammersmith. In reality though are the 9, 23 and 27 that busy nowadays. In the past yes there had always been either the 9 and 73 then 9 and 10 between HPC and Hammersmith but in more recent times I have seem the 23 very lightly used on that stretch. Possibly due to the fact there aren't the passengers who would have boarded along Oxford Street anymore as many won't walk to Marble Arch to get the 23. It suddenly occurs to me that we used to be able to get route 33 and 73 between Kensington & Hammersmith, but can now get route 23 instead.
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 23, 2021 21:19:21 GMT
In reality though are the 9, 23 and 27 that busy nowadays. In the past yes there had always been either the 9 and 73 then 9 and 10 between HPC and Hammersmith but in more recent times I have seem the 23 very lightly used on that stretch. Possibly due to the fact there aren't the passengers who would have boarded along Oxford Street anymore as many won't walk to Marble Arch to get the 23. It suddenly occurs to me that we used to be able to get route 33 and 73 between Kensington & Hammersmith, but can now get route 23 instead. Yes seems to be a x3 theme going on with the numbers. Who knows could even see the 13 one day dievtered along that stretch.
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