|
Post by ADH45258 on Oct 9, 2020 11:24:23 GMT
I'll give my view This is likely going to be the end of the 414 unless it gets some form of change (maybe where it is extended to Lancaster Gate via St Mary's Hospital) The 414 is one of those routes which sadly may die, the 94 is another if the proposed cut goes ahead and I could also see the 159 going with maybe the 3 restructured to go back to Oxford Circus. I think this was a long time coming EDIT: I think maybe a PVR increase on the 14 may not be very good as that'll overbus other corridors, maybe the 414 could run a Marble Arch (or proposed Lancaster Gate changes I suggested) to Putney Heath with the 14 cut back to Putney High Street Maybe the 414 could go to Putney Heath as you suggest, then revise the 14 to operate between Putney Bridge and Kings Cross (via former 10 from Russell Square).
|
|
|
Post by greenboy on Oct 9, 2020 11:38:10 GMT
What a pointless route this new 414 will end up to be, it will just duplicate the 14 and 74. Might as well bin it. I like the idea of extending the new route to Wandsworth. I imagine that is one of the busier sections of the 220, which could be reduced slightly overall (might not be appropriate as Westfield to Harlesden is also very busy) though TfL are in dire straits due to mad lockdowns. Quite honestly I think the 414 has been a pointless route for years, it may have been justified in 2003 when bus travel was on the increase but even the Edgware Road to Knightsbridge link is covered by the 23 now and of course there is the 74 between Marble Arch and South Kensington. The only viable extensions I can think of from Putney Bridge are to Mortlake in place of the 378 or Roehampton in place of the 430. Otherwise it might as well be withdrawn completely with short workings on the 14 between Putney Bridge and South Kensington or Hyde Park Corner as necessary.
|
|
|
Post by LondonNorthern on Oct 9, 2020 11:46:03 GMT
What a pointless route this new 414 will end up to be, it will just duplicate the 14 and 74. Might as well bin it. I like the idea of extending the new route to Wandsworth. I imagine that is one of the busier sections of the 220, which could be reduced slightly overall (might not be appropriate as Westfield to Harlesden is also very busy) though TfL are in dire straits due to mad lockdowns. Quite honestly I think the 414 has been a pointless route for years, it may have been justified in 2003 when bus travel was on the increase but even the Edgware Road to Knightsbridge link is covered by the 23 now and of course there is the 74 between Marble Arch and South Kensington. The only viable extensions I can think of from Putney Bridge are to Mortlake in place of the 378 or Roehampton in place of the 430. Otherwise it might as well be withdrawn completely with short workings on the 14 between Putney Bridge and South Kensington or Hyde Park Corner as necessary. I think an extension of the 414 to Roehampton would be an excellent idea with the 430 withdrawn.
|
|
|
Post by ADH45258 on Oct 9, 2020 12:09:46 GMT
Would it be doable to perhaps extend the 85 to South Kensington via the 14/414? Would still be short than routes such as the 43 or 468.
Then maybe increase the 74's frequency slightly to replace the 414 towards Marble Arch, also extend to Roehampton and withdraw the 430. The 190 could possibly extend from West Brompton to South Kensington if needed.
|
|
|
Post by lundnah on Oct 9, 2020 12:15:34 GMT
The Equality Impact Assessment for this change reveals the dangers of cut and paste... - LB(s) XXX (and XXX) has/have X% Christian residents, X% Muslim residents, put in 3 or 4 most popular religions.
- It will improve access to XXXX schools.
- The proposed changes will improve journey times for some passengers. They will also offer new direct journey opportunities.
|
|
|
Post by vjaska on Oct 9, 2020 12:15:50 GMT
Should have been done a long time ago, in the circumstances I don't know why TfL can't suspend that section of the 414 with immediate effect and put the buses to better use elsewhere such as the N3 mentioned in a previous post. Why would you need to suspend a day route to run extras on a night route when night routes use vehicles from day routes anyway?
|
|
|
Post by vjaska on Oct 9, 2020 12:22:12 GMT
Perhaps an extention beyond Putney Bridge to Wandsworth could prove useful. The 414 would be that 'bit less' distinctive from the 14 as well as providing the Wandsworth area a direct link with Harrods, South Kensington (and museums), Hyde Park and Oxford Street at Marble Arch. Perhaps an extension to Hammersmith Bridge replacing the 378 could prove useful. But surely that would be a similar waste of resources as everyone claims the current 414 to be - the 378 has been lightly loaded on most occasions since its introduction and could easily be swallowed up by the current 209. Not only that but the Putney to Barnes section would be heavily overbussed which already adds to the overbussing issues in that part of the world. The Wandsworth extension seems a better idea but not via Putney Bridge Road personally, not sure how feasible running via the high street & East Putney would be instead
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 12:43:14 GMT
Perhaps an extension to Hammersmith Bridge replacing the 378 could prove useful. But surely that would be a similar waste of resources as everyone claims the current 414 to be - the 378 has been lightly loaded on most occasions since its introduction and could easily be swallowed up by the current 209. Not only that but the Putney to Barnes section would be heavily overbussed which already adds to the overbussing issues in that part of the world. The Wandsworth extension seems a better idea but not via Putney Bridge Road personally, not sure how feasible running via the high street & East Putney would be instead I think a 414 via East Putney would be better although again that could over bus that route as well. After all Putney is fairly well connected on all directions. Maybe it would be best to extend the 430 from South Kensington to Marble Arch and add more peak services to the 14. I’m fairly confident the 14 could cope with its current loads.
|
|
|
Post by southlondonbus on Oct 9, 2020 12:44:35 GMT
Would it be doable to perhaps extend the 85 to South Kensington via the 14/414? Would still be short than routes such as the 43 or 468. Then maybe increase the 74's frequency slightly to replace the 414 towards Marble Arch, also extend to Roehampton and withdraw the 430. The 190 could possibly extend from West Brompton to South Kensington if needed. I havent used the 14 in years but maybe it could cope along the Fulham Road alone I dont know. I certainly think increasing the freq on the 14 would not be a good thing thou as as we know Hyde Park Corner to TCR is pretty well served by the 14/19/38 and PB to the Heath is well served aswell so the 414 does support the busiest part of the 14 well. I have a feeling the Marble Arch stand will be freed up by the 159 cutting to Oxo now.
|
|
|
Post by M1104 on Oct 9, 2020 12:59:40 GMT
The Wandsworth extension seems a better idea but not via Putney Bridge Road personally, not sure how feasible running via the high street & East Putney would be instead The problem also is with potential Marble Arch-bound buses is there's a banned right turn from Upper Richmond Road into Putney High Street.
|
|
|
Post by greenboy on Oct 9, 2020 13:37:39 GMT
Would it be doable to perhaps extend the 85 to South Kensington via the 14/414? Would still be short than routes such as the 43 or 468. Then maybe increase the 74's frequency slightly to replace the 414 towards Marble Arch, also extend to Roehampton and withdraw the 430. The 190 could possibly extend from West Brompton to South Kensington if needed. I think the case against extending the 85 to South Kensington would be that it can pick up heavy loads from Putney Bridge Station and so really needs to be starting from there but I agree with your other suggestions.
|
|
|
Post by aaron1 on Oct 9, 2020 13:46:00 GMT
Will TFL do the same thing with the 460 because that duplicates route 13,260,245 and 266 like withdrawn the 460 and extend the 245 to North Finchley
|
|
|
Post by vjaska on Oct 9, 2020 14:15:02 GMT
But surely that would be a similar waste of resources as everyone claims the current 414 to be - the 378 has been lightly loaded on most occasions since its introduction and could easily be swallowed up by the current 209. Not only that but the Putney to Barnes section would be heavily overbussed which already adds to the overbussing issues in that part of the world. The Wandsworth extension seems a better idea but not via Putney Bridge Road personally, not sure how feasible running via the high street & East Putney would be instead "Similar waste of resources everyone claims the 414 to be' well maybe those people was right but still a lot of them was called armchair experts just because they thought there would be changes to the route. Maybe peoples views should now be listened to even if they think a route could be withdrawn, that's not say you have to agree to it but quite clearly TFL don't see the need for the 414 along certain parts of the route and people have noticed that before but mentioning a route being cut is a no no. You have completely misread what I said - what I was getting at is others have said that the 414 is surplus to requirements rightly or wrongly so where is the logic in extending that same route over the 378 which is lightly loaded on many occasions and can easily be swallowed up by a every 10-12 min 209 as well as the fact that the 414 only adds to the overbussing of Barnes with a double decker 8 min frequency route being overkill for the Putney to Barnes section given it currently is already overkill with a 7-8 min single deck 378 alongside the lower frequency 485 & the 265 as far as Barnes Common.
|
|
|
Post by southlondonbus on Oct 9, 2020 14:39:36 GMT
Will TFL do the same thing with the 460 because that duplicates route 13,260,245 and 266 like withdrawn the 460 and extend the 245 to North Finchley I think they came close at one point as it was rumoured there was going to be a consultation about it but in the end it was tendered. Same with the 357.
|
|
|
Post by aaron1 on Oct 9, 2020 14:41:45 GMT
Will TFL do the same thing with the 460 because that duplicates route 13,260,245 and 266 like withdrawn the 460 and extend the 245 to North Finchley I don't know what is going to happen to 460 because it like the same as the 414
|
|