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Post by vjaska on Dec 4, 2020 3:30:10 GMT
A small thing I noticed but could be quite remedied if TfL really want to:
Instead of terminating the S3 at Sutton Station, why don't they loop it one way via two of the three roads that the S3 (and any other route for that matter) will no longer serve so from Sutton Station, it continues to run via Cedar Road & Langley Park Road and then run back into Sutton via Carshalton Road and the one way system near Sutton Station allowing residents from those two roads to access Sutton Station (as well as the town centre) by getting off at Sutton Post Office and walking around the corner. Not only that but it will hardly add much time on doing so either.
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Post by bertrell on Dec 4, 2020 11:04:45 GMT
A small thing I noticed but could be quite remedied if TfL really want to: Instead of terminating the S3 at Sutton Station, why don't they loop it one way via two of the three roads that the S3 (and any other route for that matter) will no longer serve so from Sutton Station, it continues to run via Cedar Road & Langley Park Road and then run back into Sutton via Carshalton Road and the one way system near Sutton Station allowing residents from those two roads to access Sutton Station (as well as the town centre) by getting off at Sutton Post Office and walking around the corner. Not only that but it will hardly add much time on doing so either. TFL, will never listen to you VJASKA!
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Post by 725DYE on Dec 4, 2020 12:12:07 GMT
A small thing I noticed but could be quite remedied if TfL really want to: Instead of terminating the S3 at Sutton Station, why don't they loop it one way via two of the three roads that the S3 (and any other route for that matter) will no longer serve so from Sutton Station, it continues to run via Cedar Road & Langley Park Road and then run back into Sutton via Carshalton Road and the one way system near Sutton Station allowing residents from those two roads to access Sutton Station (as well as the town centre) by getting off at Sutton Post Office and walking around the corner. Not only that but it will hardly add much time on doing so either. TFL, will never listen to you VJASKA! Bit uncalled for
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Post by beaver14uk on Dec 4, 2020 12:22:38 GMT
Maybe put it forward as a suggestion. Don't listen to people here they don't know what they are talking about. A bus driver had a night route changed recently. uote author=" vjaska" source="/post/607194/thread" timestamp="1607052610"]A small thing I noticed but could be quite remedied if TfL really want to: Instead of terminating the S3 at Sutton Station, why don't they loop it one way via two of the three roads that the S3 (and any other route for that matter) will no longer serve so from Sutton Station, it continues to run via Cedar Road & Langley Park Road and then run back into Sutton via Carshalton Road and the one way system near Sutton Station allowing residents from those two roads to access Sutton Station (as well as the town centre) by getting off at Sutton Post Office and walking around the corner. Not only that but it will hardly add much time on doing so either.[/quote]
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Post by bertrell on Dec 4, 2020 12:40:53 GMT
TFL, will never listen to you VJASKA! Bit uncalled for OOps, i did not mean it that way but we all kno hard of hearing TFL are.
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Post by ctrh136 on Dec 4, 2020 22:42:36 GMT
A small thing I noticed but could be quite remedied if TfL really want to: Instead of terminating the S3 at Sutton Station, why don't they loop it one way via two of the three roads that the S3 (and any other route for that matter) will no longer serve so from Sutton Station, it continues to run via Cedar Road & Langley Park Road and then run back into Sutton via Carshalton Road and the one way system near Sutton Station allowing residents from those two roads to access Sutton Station (as well as the town centre) by getting off at Sutton Post Office and walking around the corner. Not only that but it will hardly add much time on doing so either. I did suggest on my response maybe diverting the S1 along Cedar Road, though obviously Cavendish Road would lose its bus service.
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 4, 2020 22:46:49 GMT
It dosent seem to have come up as an issue amongst the local MPs in a way I thought those roads loosing the S3 might have been. Both the Sutton and Carshalton & Wallington MPs seem to be positive about the consultation. Same with the S1 roads emitted don't seem to have caused a backlash.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 4, 2020 22:53:03 GMT
It dosent seem to have come up as an issue amongst the local MPs in a way I thought those roads loosing the S3 might have been. Both the Sutton and Carshalton & Wallington MPs seem to be positive about the consultation. Same with the S1 roads emitted don't seem to have caused a backlash. Doesn't surprise me as I'd imagine Sutton is a more pro car borough given where it's situated - possibly bus passengers voices are being ignored or lost in the crowd like what happens in other parts of London?
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Post by vjaska on Dec 4, 2020 22:54:12 GMT
Maybe put it forward as a suggestion. Don't listen to people here they don't know what they are talking about. A bus driver had a night route changed recently. uote author=" vjaska" source="/post/607194/thread" timestamp="1607052610"]A small thing I noticed but could be quite remedied if TfL really want to: Instead of terminating the S3 at Sutton Station, why don't they loop it one way via two of the three roads that the S3 (and any other route for that matter) will no longer serve so from Sutton Station, it continues to run via Cedar Road & Langley Park Road and then run back into Sutton via Carshalton Road and the one way system near Sutton Station allowing residents from those two roads to access Sutton Station (as well as the town centre) by getting off at Sutton Post Office and walking around the corner. Not only that but it will hardly add much time on doing so either. [/quote] I would do but I'm not local to the area or use the S3 often enough so I don't feel appropriate to reply to the particular consultation - appreciate what your saying though
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 5, 2020 8:49:12 GMT
It dosent seem to have come up as an issue amongst the local MPs in a way I thought those roads loosing the S3 might have been. Both the Sutton and Carshalton & Wallington MPs seem to be positive about the consultation. Same with the S1 roads emitted don't seem to have caused a backlash. Doesn't surprise me as I'd imagine Sutton is a more pro car borough given where it's situated - possibly bus passengers voices are being ignored or lost in the crowd like what happens in other parts of London? Possibly thou i was thinking about the opposition the 384 came up against and felt the S1/S3 were similar really.
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Post by bertrell on Dec 5, 2020 13:32:10 GMT
It dosent seem to have come up as an issue amongst the local MPs in a way I thought those roads loosing the S3 might have been. Both the Sutton and Carshalton & Wallington MPs seem to be positive about the consultation. Same with the S1 roads emitted don't seem to have caused a backlash. Doesn't surprise me as I'd imagine Sutton is a more pro car borough given where it's situated - possibly bus passengers voices are being ignored or lost in the crowd like what happens in other parts of London? Correct, Kingston, Richmond, Sutton, Bromley, Bexley are all Car Borough rich Folks.
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Post by thekbq14 on Dec 6, 2020 3:12:58 GMT
Everything people saying here about that part of Carshalton/Sutton is true and is because people in this part of town are not reliant on the buses as much due to it serving mainly backstreets and it's every 30 minute route frequency not being frequent enough for passengers to rely on hence the reason people use cars more especially as it can also be quicker too. 384 was a bit difference as yes it serves Barnet which is again a rich, conservative, pro car surbuban part of London similar to Sutton and areas south of Croydon but linked a more elderly, hilly and school going demograph to local shops, stations and schools etc. Which the S1/S3 and S4 doesn't really do as such mainly back streets to their local town centres which like said above can be done more quickly through driving except for recently the new school by Royal Marsden Hospital which these route serves and S4 mirrors more frequent and faster routes in the 154 especially and somewhat 455 especially if this consultation goes ahead. I'd say these routes have more in common with previous 463, 412 and 315 consultations all changing routes in the South London back streets that didn't go ahead due to being car dominant, and outrage from Locals and MPs.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Dec 6, 2020 7:10:34 GMT
I have lost track of dates a bit. Is the idea that these occur ca March 2022 when the route 455 tender would have been due?
If this isn't too ambitious, I hope to time my visit to the area late enough to see these changes but not too late to miss the current tender terms for routes 166 or 410.
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Post by SILENCED on Dec 6, 2020 12:01:06 GMT
I have lost track of dates a bit. Is the idea that these occur ca March 2022 when the route 455 tender would have been due? If this isn't too ambitious, I hope to time my visit to the area late enough to see these changes but not too late to miss the current tender terms for routes 166 or 410. I don't think any timescales have been specified yet.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jun 3, 2021 22:08:03 GMT
With confirmation of these proposals likely soon, and tender results due for new routes 439 & S2, how might stand spaces be affected by these changes?
Belmont (Cancer Hub) - a new stand will need to be introduced for the 80, and possibly the 164 too at a later date.
Belmont Station - the 413 & S4 should both fit at the current stand along with the 280.
Caterham - can the current 407 stand fit both the 434 and 443?
Croydon Town Centre - the 407 could perhaps use the stand on St George's Walk (opposite the 433's) - not sure if any other routes are scheduled to use this following the previous Croydon Town Centre consultation.
Sutton Station - excess space at the 164 stand, so should fit the S3 as well.
Waddon Marsh - looking at where the 289/455 used to stop, the bus lane at the south end of Drury Crescent has space for 439/S4 stands.
West Croydon - is there capacity for the 443 to additionally stand at the bus station?
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