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Post by PGAT on Mar 18, 2024 19:06:37 GMT
413 extended from Sutton to Belmont via Benhill Avenue, Lower Road then the existing S3's routing, S3 withdrawn between Sutton Station and Belmont. The 407 does provide a direct service between Sutton and Purley, but it is by no means quick. I do think a bus service between Sutton and Coulsdon is a missing link though, and splitting the 463 is ideal as the very busy section between Wallington and Coulsdon can be increased to 4bph and use longer buses, while the quieter section between Wallington and Pollards Hill can remain at 3bph. Why though, what is in Coulsdon that a resident in Sutton would need to go there? It has to be remembered that Sutton has very little stand space compared to nearby Morden, Croydon and Kingston. Even the latest S4 changes have completely overwhelmed the Marshalls Road stand, there were 3x 407s and 1x S4 on Saturday afternoon around 3pm leaving no space for the 154/S2 to use their stop. People living there. Considering it isn't too far away from Sutton and that it's a nightmare to travel between the two currently it makes sense |
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Post by southlondon413 on Mar 18, 2024 19:09:09 GMT
Why though, what is in Coulsdon that a resident in Sutton would need to go there? It has to be remembered that Sutton has very little stand space compared to nearby Morden, Croydon and Kingston. Even the latest S4 changes have completely overwhelmed the Marshalls Road stand, there were 3x 407s and 1x S4 on Saturday afternoon around 3pm leaving no space for the 154/S2 to use their stop. People living there. Considering it isn't too far away from Sutton and that it's a nightmare to travel between the two currently it makes sense I don’t agree, I think you’d have to consider that the end to end would be very niche and offer little ROI. Even the 407 doesn’t when you consider there are very few cross journeys with most alighting in Croydon from either direction. I just don’t see the need for a Sutton to Coulsdon link. |
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Post by PGAT on Mar 18, 2024 19:15:12 GMT
People living there. Considering it isn't too far away from Sutton and that it's a nightmare to travel between the two currently it makes sense I don’t agree, I think you’d have to consider that the end to end would be very niche and offer little ROI. Even the 407 doesn’t when you consider there are very few cross journeys with most alighting in Croydon from either direction. I just don’t see the need for a Sutton to Coulsdon link. I guess that's fair but I think it would have decent returns if say the 463 went to Sutton instead of Pollards Hill |
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Post by southlondon413 on Mar 18, 2024 19:20:15 GMT
I don’t agree, I think you’d have to consider that the end to end would be very niche and offer little ROI. Even the 407 doesn’t when you consider there are very few cross journeys with most alighting in Croydon from either direction. I just don’t see the need for a Sutton to Coulsdon link. I guess that's fair but I think it would have decent returns if say the 463 went to Sutton instead of Pollards Hill Sutton needs better links but they need to be links to transport hubs enabling onward journeys. Sutton as a borough is predominantly filled with commuters and car drivers who need links to the tube and rail services. I just don’t see it being popular considering the 463 doesn’t hit any stations, major shops or anything of real value. |
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Post by PGAT on Mar 18, 2024 19:27:41 GMT
I guess that's fair but I think it would have decent returns if say the 463 went to Sutton instead of Pollards Hill Sutton needs better links but they need to be links to transport hubs enabling onward journeys. Sutton as a borough is predominantly filled with commuters and car drivers who need links to the tube and rail services. I just don’t see it being popular considering the 463 doesn’t hit any stations, major shops or anything of real value. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2024 19:27:45 GMT
I guess that's fair but I think it would have decent returns if say the 463 went to Sutton instead of Pollards Hill Sutton needs better links but they need to be links to transport hubs enabling onward journeys. Sutton as a borough is predominantly filled with commuters and car drivers who need links to the tube and rail services. I just don’t see it being popular considering the 463 doesn’t hit any stations, major shops or anything of real value. I would personally heavily benefit from a direct 463 link but as you say, I do not see it viable at all |
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Post by southlondon413 on Mar 18, 2024 19:31:54 GMT
Sutton needs better links but they need to be links to transport hubs enabling onward journeys. Sutton as a borough is predominantly filled with commuters and car drivers who need links to the tube and rail services. I just don’t see it being popular considering the 463 doesn’t hit any stations, major shops or anything of real value. It would be significantly quicker to just take an SL7 to East Croydon if you wanted a quick trip to Gatwick. |
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Post by PGAT on Mar 18, 2024 19:35:05 GMT
Well to be fair Coulsdon South could act as a rail feeder to places like Gatwick Airport, Redhill and Reigate. Those are journeys dominated by cars because the 420 and 820 are just inadequate It would be significantly quicker to just take an SL7 to East Croydon if you wanted a quick trip to Gatwick. Yeah that's a good point I forgot about that |
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Post by evergreenadam on Mar 18, 2024 19:55:20 GMT
I don’t agree, I think you’d have to consider that the end to end would be very niche and offer little ROI. Even the 407 doesn’t when you consider there are very few cross journeys with most alighting in Croydon from either direction. I just don’t see the need for a Sutton to Coulsdon link. I guess that's fair but I think it would have decent returns if say the 463 went to Sutton instead of Pollards Hill How many people travel across Wallington on routes 127 and 463? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2024 20:01:48 GMT
I guess that's fair but I think it would have decent returns if say the 463 went to Sutton instead of Pollards Hill How many people travel across Wallington on routes 127 and 463? The school numbers are very high not sure about the general public though. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Mar 18, 2024 20:16:01 GMT
I guess that's fair but I think it would have decent returns if say the 463 went to Sutton instead of Pollards Hill How many people travel across Wallington on routes 127 and 463? If I’m heading for SW London from Purley, the 127 is my route of choice - then I will either change at Carshalton for an SL7 or go on to Mitcham Junction, pick up a tram to Wimbledon then a train. My experience suggests that very few pax from Purley go any further than Carshalton on the 127. |
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Post by londonbuses on Mar 18, 2024 20:28:05 GMT
I guess that's fair but I think it would have decent returns if say the 463 went to Sutton instead of Pollards Hill How many people travel across Wallington on routes 127 and 463? From my experience the 463 is a route of two halves (apart from school journeys but the 612 and 633 cover the majority of these journeys), although I don't use the Wallington to Pollards Hill section often so will leave it to others to provide a better insight into the route. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2024 20:32:28 GMT
How many people travel across Wallington on routes 127 and 463? From my experience the 463 is a route of two halves (apart from school journeys but the 612 and 633 cover the majority of these journeys), although I don't use the Wallington to Pollards Hill section often so will leave it to others to provide a better insight into the route. The 463 still has heavy usage in the mornings between Pollards Hill and Wallington, mainly due to the 633 always starting about 8-10 minutes late to ensure there is no need for waiting during its trip making the majority of passengers board the 463 which leaves a few minutes before the 633 arrives. The most popular section on this side of the route is Sherwood Park Road to Beddington Lane Tram stop as it's a core link for the Pollards Hill area. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 18, 2024 20:44:11 GMT
I took the 312 today down to Old Lodge Lane. Bus still only had A4 paper blinds as did some of the 289s i saw. Never been down there before. Pretty long road really with a mix of different housing. Only me and 2 other people and one of them was a baby in arms beyond Purley and 3 of us on the return trip so not really sure the increase in freq was totally needed.
The E200s were nice to ride thou with that classic Dart/E200 sounds roaring round on the fast roads around Croydon still.
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Post by abellion on Mar 18, 2024 20:50:45 GMT
I guess that's fair but I think it would have decent returns if say the 463 went to Sutton instead of Pollards Hill How many people travel across Wallington on routes 127 and 463? Purley folks on the 127 generally will not go past Carshalton at most. From Tooting, even if it gets packed most people just board it to go home, get off on Southcroft Rd or Mitcham Lane leaving the bus mostly quiet as it arrives in Mitcham and then people from Mitcham/Hackbridge don't seem to go past Wallington. |
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