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Post by va59 on Nov 10, 2020 17:36:13 GMT
Back in the early 90s, my two local routes, the 275 and the 206 would regularly see a mix of single and double deck operation. The 275 would mainly be DD operated but occasionally have a couple of single decks running around with the 206 being the reverse.
Since moving to Godstone, Surrey, I have noticed the same thing with local operated 409 being both DD and SD.
Nowadays, you don’t see that kind of thing on TfL routes, however, I would be interested to know if this still happens in TfL operated areas.
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Post by jackthelad87 on Nov 10, 2020 17:47:07 GMT
R9 in Orpington is usually a mix. Sometimes you'll have a DD, Dual door single, and a short 8.9m single operating all at the same time. On my local route 492 you get the odd single decker but I'm not sure if that's because they were short of a double at the time.
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Post by galwhv69 on Nov 10, 2020 17:51:04 GMT
Back in the early 90s, my two local routes, the 275 and the 206 would regularly see a mix of single and double deck operation. The 275 would mainly be DD operated but occasionally have a couple of single decks running around with the 206 being the reverse. Since moving to Godstone, Surrey, I have noticed the same thing with local operated 409 being both DD and SD. Nowadays, you don’t see that kind of thing on TfL routes, however, I would be interested to know if this still happens in TfL operated areas. Still happens with the 355, being allocated awful Shitlite's but often seeing Gemini 3's and occasionally Enviro 400's or Enviro 400 MMC's |
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 10, 2020 18:41:58 GMT
The 80 sees a mix most days now as does the 163. The 312 can still see a few DDs aswell.
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Post by LJ17THF on Nov 10, 2020 18:51:22 GMT
The 312 can still see a few DDs aswell. But if it gets extended to Old Lodge Lane, that will certainly change. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 10, 2020 18:56:03 GMT
The 312 can still see a few DDs aswell. But if it gets extended to Old Lodge Lane, that will certainly change. Unless Arriva only decide to use them between South Croydon & Norwood Junction on a shorter working. |
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Post by Alexis on Nov 10, 2020 20:11:46 GMT
The 296, 396, and D6 are similar, officially only allocated single deckers but see DD workings fairly often.
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Post by busman on Nov 10, 2020 20:56:24 GMT
In my area the 286 and B16 have the occasional DD working.
The 108 is pretty unique in its operation. Most workings are conventional SD’s from Morden Wharf, but it also has a partial allocation of electric SD’s from New Cross. Additionally there are also extra conventional DD workings allocated from New Cross in the evenings on event days. Because of the height restriction on the northbound Blackwall tunnel, these extras only run between Lewisham and North Greenwich.
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Post by thekbq14 on Nov 11, 2020 3:51:16 GMT
Still happens for example in my area the 289 an SD route would have the occasional DD Working. Used to have 1DD SDO journey from the 689, but that no longer happens believe that is on the 250, now. Similarly route 463 used to have School DD Journey's however these have now been renumbered as the 633. Also Used to happen on the 407 when it was SD as well with odd DD workings before it got converted to be a DD route full time. The are countless of other examples with route 433 or T33 at the time an SD route used to have odd DD workings before residents in Selsdon Vale/Forestdale complained and this hasn't happened since Abellio took over the route.
Trying to think though if there are any other opposite examples for example DD route using SD, remember used to happen to Metrobus quiet a bit back in the day when they were independent but except for that can't think of any examples.
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Post by LJ17THF on Nov 11, 2020 9:09:07 GMT
The are countless of other examples with route 433 or T33 at the time an SD route used to have odd DD workings before residents in Selsdon Vale/Forestdale complained and this hasn't happened since Abellio took over the route. I'd like to see a DD working happen on the 433. It is possible because the new-style blinds (on the older E400's, maybe the new-style E400H's and E400H MMC's) have it fully blinded. |
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Post by M1104 on Nov 11, 2020 12:58:50 GMT
Back in the early 90s, my two local routes, the 275 and the 206 would regularly see a mix of single and double deck operation. The 275 would mainly be DD operated but occasionally have a couple of single decks running around with the 206 being the reverse. Since moving to Godstone, Surrey, I have noticed the same thing with local operated 409 being both DD and SD. Nowadays, you don’t see that kind of thing on TfL routes, however, I would be interested to know if this still happens in TfL operated areas. The 152 under Abellio/Travel London had four deckers allocated on mutiple occasions over the years due to shortage of servicable single deckers within the fleet, said to be in conjunction with surplus double deckers. On one occasion deckers were only meant to have been on route for a few weeks yet 'thankfully' remained on a daily basis¹ for eighteen months. On one particular day six were allocated, four of which i saw on Western Road within a matter of minutes; one New Malden-bound with three in a row towards Pollards Hill. Deckers then were usually allocated to the running numbers that picked up the most schoolkids at chucking out time. London General since then had five in one go on route during that time when around four B9TLs were loaned to AL from AF in relation to refurbishment of the SOEs if i remember correctly. ¹ - the odd Sunday was all singles |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 30, 2020 0:36:49 GMT
Back in the early 90s, my two local routes, the 275 and the 206 would regularly see a mix of single and double deck operation. The 275 would mainly be DD operated but occasionally have a couple of single decks running around with the 206 being the reverse. Since moving to Godstone, Surrey, I have noticed the same thing with local operated 409 being both DD and SD. Nowadays, you don’t see that kind of thing on TfL routes, however, I would be interested to know if this still happens in TfL operated areas. Also the 20 which was meant to be DD back then also saw a heavy mix of single and double deckers. Although the 206 ended in 1989 when W14 was created. |
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Post by localet44 on Nov 30, 2020 17:39:14 GMT
Trying to think though if there are any other opposite examples for example DD route using SD, remember used to happen to Metrobus quiet a bit back in the day when they were independent but except for that can't think of any examples. I have photos taken in October 2004 of Dennis Darts on routes 63 and 363.
I have photos taken in May 2000 and June 2002 of Dennis Darts on route N11.
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Post by snowman on Nov 30, 2020 17:45:25 GMT
Trying to think though if there are any other opposite examples for example DD route using SD, remember used to happen to Metrobus quiet a bit back in the day when they were independent but except for that can't think of any examples. I have photos taken in October 2004 of Dennis Darts on routes 63 and 363. I have photos taken in May 2000 and June 2002 of Dennis Darts on route N11.
There were a scattering of single decks on 65 during first lockdown |
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 30, 2020 18:15:42 GMT
I think it was around 2004 TFL clamped down on non low floor workings on low floor routes hence SD substitutions as I remember some on the 213 and atleast once on the 154. Eventually PVLs became spare and topped up the allocation at A as I think the 93 had increased its freq.
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