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Post by delt1c on Nov 16, 2020 9:58:29 GMT
We are all aware that few London routes are still what they used to be. Just wondering what are Londons most shortend Routes, I will Start with the 9's which was once a major route from Liverpool St to Mortlake, now just a shadow from Aldwych to Hammersmith and the 279 which had early morning and late night journeys from Hammond St to Smithfield. I am sure there are many more.
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 16, 2020 10:04:37 GMT
12 I'd probably say was the most cut back with sections (since the 70s) removed in 1972, 1986, 1988, 1991, 1994 and 2004. Who knows what section will go next?
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Post by busman on Nov 16, 2020 10:11:11 GMT
There are too many to mention. As traffic has increased across over the decades, many routes have had to be shortened. If you want to see the history of each route, here’s an excellent website: www.londonbuses.co.uk/Many of the biggest cutbacks have been to cross city routes passing through central London, the most notable exception to that rule perhaps being the 37, which until 1991 ran from Peckham to Hounslow.
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 16, 2020 10:28:09 GMT
We are all aware that few London routes are still what they used to be. Just wondering what are Londons most shortend Routes, I will Start with the 9's which was once a major route from Liverpool St to Mortlake, now just a shadow from Aldwych to Hammersmith and the 279 which had early morning and late night journeys from Hammond St to Smithfield. I am sure there are many more. The caveat is that, unlike today, short workings were rife and many routes operated in overlapping sections, with few if any journeys covering the entire route. As an example, it is easy to exclaim "the 12 once ran all the way from Willesden Junction to South Croydon!" without appreciating that you would rarely have seen a no. 12 at Willesden Junction displaying anything beyond Dulwich. Another example: the 29 once ran from Victoria to Enfield Town, but you would not find many buses doing the full route. Most buses from Victoria terminated at Wood Green or Palmers Green, whilst buses from Enfield Town tended to terminate at Turnpike Lane - today those journeys are numbered 329.
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Post by John tuthill on Nov 16, 2020 10:42:45 GMT
We are all aware that few London routes are still what they used to be. Just wondering what are Londons most shortend Routes, I will Start with the 9's which was once a major route from Liverpool St to Mortlake, now just a shadow from Aldwych to Hammersmith and the 279 which had early morning and late night journeys from Hammond St to Smithfield. I am sure there are many more. The caveat is that, unlike today, short workings were rife and many routes operated in overlapping sections, with few if any journeys covering the entire route. A s an example, it is easy to exclaim "the 12 once ran all the way from Willesden Junction to South Croydon!" without appreciating that you would rarely have seen a no. 12 at Willesden Junction displaying anything beyond Dulwich.
Another example: the 29 once ran from Victoria to Enfield Town, but you would not find many buses doing the full route. Most buses from Victoria terminated at Wood Green or Palmers Green, whilst buses from Enfield Town tended to terminate at Turnpike Lane - today those journeys are numbered 329. That's because the 12 ran in two overlapping sections: Willesden to Dulwich 'Plough' and OX to either ED or TC. One route which I would like to have used, just to see how long it would take would be the 88, which for a while and on Sunday pm only ran fron Acton Green to Banstead Hospital. The site is now a HMP holiday camp.
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Post by aaron1 on Nov 16, 2020 11:20:31 GMT
27 was another route that got cut back a lot the longest bit for the was Hampton Court to Archway that got cut back a lot now it only goes far as Hammersmith that why I was thinking that it should go back to Archway via 134 passing Kentish Town but withdrawn from Chalk Farm
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 16, 2020 11:55:22 GMT
The 27 did atleast run through from Archway to Richmond till 1991 without running in sections.
I'm not sure when the 88 started running in section but I thibk by the 80s the Mitcham Journeys only when to Oxford Circus.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 16, 2020 12:33:06 GMT
27 was another route that got cut back a lot the longest bit for the was Hampton Court to Archway that got cut back a lot now it only goes far as Hammersmith that why I was thinking that it should go back to Archway via 134 passing Kentish Town but withdrawn from Chalk Farm Please don’t start suggesting extending routes much further than is viable again - take the advice that people have given you on multiple occasions.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 16, 2020 12:41:25 GMT
The 35 used to run from Chingford to Clapham Junction IIRC - having been reading the Reshaping London Buses book over the last couple of the nights, the reshaping plan saw the 35 hacked back to Hackney at that point?
I believe by 1986, the 122 was the longest route in London running from Palace to Bexleyheath before being cut back to Plumstead two years later by the new 422 route
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Post by M1104 on Nov 16, 2020 12:50:56 GMT
I'm not sure when the 88 started running in section but I thibk by the 80s the Mitcham Journeys only when to Oxford Circus. Off the top of my head I believe the Oxford Circus terminus was from the late 80s when by then the Mitcham end was cut back to Tooting: The Mitre. I know for sure the Sunday 88 was still doing the extension via Phipps Bridge to Merton Garage until around 1989, when the Mon-Sat 200 then started running Sundays as well.
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 16, 2020 13:08:44 GMT
It was in 1987 the 88 was cut back to Tooting with the new 219 to Mitcham. I have seen pics in the 60s of 88s to Clapham Common so there may have been some official shorts to there or maybe the pics iv seen it's just a coincidence that it was being cut short due to late running.
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 16, 2020 13:09:47 GMT
The 35 used to run from Chingford to Clapham Junction IIRC - having been reading the Reshaping London Buses book over the last couple of the nights, the reshaping plan saw the 35 hacked back to Hackney at that point? I believe by 1986, the 122 was the longest route in London running from Palace to Bexleyheath before being cut back to Plumstead two years later by the new 422 route Again in reality I believe the 122 was Bexleyheath to Forest Hill and PD to Crystal Palace.
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Post by greenboy on Nov 16, 2020 13:10:32 GMT
27 was another route that got cut back a lot the longest bit for the was Hampton Court to Archway that got cut back a lot now it only goes far as Hammersmith that why I was thinking that it should go back to Archway via 134 passing Kentish Town but withdrawn from Chalk Farm The 27 could be returned to Archway although I'm not sure there is sufficient demand now, the 134 seems adequate?
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Post by paulsw2 on Nov 16, 2020 13:12:08 GMT
The 35 used to run from Chingford to Clapham Junction IIRC - having been reading the Reshaping London Buses book over the last couple of the nights, the reshaping plan saw the 35 hacked back to Hackney at that point? I believe by 1986, the 122 was the longest route in London running from Palace to Bexleyheath before being cut back to Plumstead two years later by the new 422 route Again in reality I believe the 122 was Bexleyheath to Forest Hill and PD to Crystal Palace. On Saturday it was Slade Green to Palace
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Post by greenboy on Nov 16, 2020 13:12:11 GMT
The 35 used to run from Chingford to Clapham Junction IIRC - having been reading the Reshaping London Buses book over the last couple of the nights, the reshaping plan saw the 35 hacked back to Hackney at that point? I believe by 1986, the 122 was the longest route in London running from Palace to Bexleyheath before being cut back to Plumstead two years later by the new 422 route Again in reality I believe the 122 was Bexleyheath to Forest Hill and PD to Crystal Palace. The 122 had a Saturday shopping hours extension to Slade Green at one time.
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