Which route would you withdraw ?

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I don’t know why this forum has become so argumentative. Very sad.

i think it is interesting to see the opinions on here. TfL are facing a severe financial crisis and some savings have to be made. 

So my choice of routes specifically chosen to see whether members , who are all keen bus users, would rather see routes that are paralleled in central London go, or , take out the infrequent lightly used suburban routes.

So far, for those that have chosen to vote, the option for cutting a central London route is preferable. 

[vjaska]

Dec 11, 2020 19:27:35 GMT @rob said:

I don’t know why this forum has become so argumentative. Very sad.

i think it is interesting to see the opinions on here. TfL are facing a severe financial crisis and some savings have to be made. 

So my choice of routes specifically chosen to see whether members , who are all keen bus users, would rather see routes that are paralleled in central London go, or , take out the infrequent lightly used suburban routes.

So far, for those that have chosen to vote, the option for cutting a central London route is preferable. 

Could I ask why no option was provided in the poll for cutting no routes?

[Deleted]

Dec 11, 2020 19:52:38 GMT vjaska said:

Dec 11, 2020 19:27:35 GMT @rob said:

I don’t know why this forum has become so argumentative. Very sad.

i think it is interesting to see the opinions on here. TfL are facing a severe financial crisis and some savings have to be made. 

So my choice of routes specifically chosen to see whether members , who are all keen bus users, would rather see routes that are paralleled in central London go, or , take out the infrequent lightly used suburban routes.

So far, for those that have chosen to vote, the option for cutting a central London route is preferable. 

Could I ask why no option was provided in the poll for cutting no routes?

Because it’s a given isn’t it, that none of us want route withdrawals, that’s obvious. Hence no option to choose none of them. What I am trying to discover is what us self proclaimed experts would find an acceptable cut, given the serious crisis TfL are in. 

[greg]

Tbh think the 414 is a good route to send elsewhere like replace the 36 between Marble Arch and Queen’s Park and some changes in the south as I have to agree the 6 and 14 manage fine but its structure could be changed in some places

A Battersea Bridge - Queen’s Park route would be good imo
Via 345 from South Ken and withdrawn between South Kensington and Putney

Btw not proposing just small ideas

[southlondonbus]

With the 414 standing at Marble Arch there will be a tempting array of extentions it could take. Over the 23 to Westbourne Park or down to Acton Green to replace the 94 could be options at some point. Particulary if demand dropped a bit more on the 23 then leaving the rest to the 9 and 27 with the 9 and hopper fare to get people from Hammersmith to Marble Arch.

[greenboy]

Dec 12, 2020 23:48:18 GMT southlondonbus said:

With the 414 standing at Marble Arch there will be a tempting array of extentions it could take. Over the 23 to Westbourne Park or down to Acton Green to replace the 94 could be options at some point. Particulary if demand dropped a bit more on the 23 then leaving the rest to the 9 and 27 with the 9 and hopper fare to get people from Hammersmith to Marble Arch.

Replacing the 23 to Westbourne Park would seem the most likely option with the 9 getting a frequency increase.

[M1104]

432: withdraw by extending the 415 to Anerley, which incidentally was at least given thought by officials

N250: replace by extending the night element of the 159 (as N159) to Croydon Town Centre via Green Lane, Thornton Heath Clock Tower¹ and Brigstock Road....giving a direct night link with Central London. Frequency adjusted accordingly



¹ - baring in mind the N68 runs near there

[vjaska]

Dec 13, 2020 12:40:48 GMT M1104 said:

432: withdraw by extending the 415 to Anerley, which incidentally was at least given thought by officials

N250: replace by extending the night element of the 159 (as N159) to Croydon Town Centre, giving Green Lane, Thornton Heath Clock Tower¹ and Brigstock Road a direct night link with Central London. Frequency adjusted accordingly



¹ - baring in mind the N68 runs near there

I personally couldn’t support the 415 proposal as the loss of capacity on the Tulse Hill corridor would be very problematic.

The N159 proposal is fair enough.

[M1104]

Dec 13, 2020 15:00:24 GMT vjaska said:

Dec 13, 2020 12:40:48 GMT M1104 said:

432: withdraw by extending the 415 to Anerley, which incidentally was at least given thought by officials

N250: replace by extending the night element of the 159 (as N159) to Croydon Town Centre, giving Green Lane, Thornton Heath Clock Tower¹ and Brigstock Road a direct night link with Central London. Frequency adjusted accordingly



¹ - baring in mind the N68 runs near there

I personally couldn’t support the 415 proposal as the loss of capacity on the Tulse Hill corridor would be very problematic.

The N159 proposal is fair enough.

I forgot to add about the frequency being adjusted accordingly also on the former.

[joefrombow]

414 on the basis of if we can get rid of the 48 then the 414 once cut will basically duplicate the 14 for most of the route and although the thread says no replacement 375 could go and be replaced with hour and a halfly 103's extended to Passingford Bridge though if I had it my way it would probably go on to Theydon Bois via Abridge 😉

[COBO]

None because all of them need parts or whole sections replaced by another route.

[joefrombow]

Dec 14, 2020 0:53:54 GMT COBO said:

None because all of them need parts or whole sections replaced by another route.

But surely it's cheaper to say extend every other bus on a route rather than tender out a route to cover a section in certain circumstances ?

[COBO]

Dec 14, 2020 2:39:27 GMT joefrombow said:

Dec 14, 2020 0:53:54 GMT COBO said:

None because all of them need parts or whole sections replaced by another route.

But surely it's cheaper to say extend every other bus on a route rather than tender out a route to cover a section in certain circumstances ?

What do you mean?

[justjxck1994]

Routes E2 & E9 could easily be merged to create one route running from Brentford to Yeading.

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Dec 28, 2020 19:50:30 GMT justjxck1994 said:

Routes E2 & E9 could easily be merged to create one route running from Brentford to Yeading.

As I already mentioned in the other thread, I don't see a merger happening as it won't cope with capacity, route E9 supports route E2 particularly in the Pitzhanger area. Out of all the Ealing routes, E2 is one or if not the busiest, and is always packed during the peak hours with mostly school students and other passengers that travel to work from Ealing Broadway Station commuting to Central London.