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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 19:55:28 GMT
As I live on the 142/258 route in Bushey, I personally would be against the 258 withdrawal. The only journey the overground and 258 commonly provide is Bushey/Watford to Wealdstone. The overground doesn’t serve Harrow Weald or Harrow Town Centre, which are 2 major objectives of passengers to and from Watford and Bushey. It is not just peaks that the 258 is busy as shopping hours can be standing room only on the 258 between Harrow and Watford, as many residents of Harrow prefer shopping in Watford rather than Harrow itself Lots of Harrow to Watford passengers. Yep, I agree, a mistake. And really done to withdraw the H17. The H17 is a perfect shuttle route , not costing much to run and is reliable. Let’s hope this report gets filed in the bin. |
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Post by bertrell on Dec 14, 2020 20:02:29 GMT
I hope that TfL have seen idea about the 258 extend it to Ruislip via the 114 this almost recreate the old 158 now that will be a better one No space for the 258 to stand, unless it's in Ruislip station car park..😁 |
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Post by ADH45258 on Dec 14, 2020 20:24:16 GMT
As I live on the 142/258 route in Bushey, I personally would be against the 258 withdrawal. The only journey the overground and 258 commonly provide is Bushey/Watford to Wealdstone. The overground doesn’t serve Harrow Weald or Harrow Town Centre, which are 2 major objectives of passengers to and from Watford and Bushey. It is not just peaks that the 258 is busy as shopping hours can be standing room only on the 258 between Harrow and Watford, as many residents of Harrow prefer shopping in Watford rather than Harrow itself I live in Harrow Weald and seeing the 258 being withdraw is probably a bad idea! That bus gets so overcrowded, and for it to terminate in bushey would be crazy as it is lol. However, i like the sound of the southern extension of the route but can’t have both From Harrow Weald, the southern extension would only introduce a direct link to Sudbury Hill - the 182 already serves Sudbury Town and Wembley Central, so keeping the 258 unchanged would be a much better option. The extension seems to be partly motivated by freeing up stand space at Harrow Bus Station, but there must be other ways of doing so without cutting useful links. I think there's also a stand space behind Harrow on the Hill station, used by rail replacement services, which could be utilised if needed. |
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Post by bertrell on Dec 14, 2020 20:32:39 GMT
I live in Harrow Weald and seeing the 258 being withdraw is probably a bad idea! That bus gets so overcrowded, and for it to terminate in bushey would be crazy as it is lol. However, i like the sound of the southern extension of the route but can’t have both From Harrow Weald, the southern extension would only introduce a direct link to Sudbury Hill - the 182 already serves Sudbury Town and Wembley Central, so keeping the 258 unchanged would be a much better option. The extension seems to be partly motivated by freeing up stand space at Harrow Bus Station, but there must be other ways of doing so without cutting useful links. I think there's also a stand space behind Harrow on the Hill station, used by rail replacement services, which could be utilised if needed. Yes, the 186 stood there many many yrs ago... |
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Post by ADH45258 on Dec 14, 2020 21:30:36 GMT
If these proposals go to consultation stage, I think it would likely be a similae situation and outcome to the Dartford consulation. TFL had planned to keep only one TFL route going to Bluewater, and now similarly with Watford, though I think the plans could be cancelled due to local opposition. I'm not sure the 395/H17 proposals are worthwhile either? Does the current H17 need extra capacity, and would DDs even fit along the full route? Very few new links would be created, with the 182 already operating between Harrow Weald and Wembley via Sudbury. As I mentioned previously, although I’m not local, my own observations saw quite a number of very busy H17’s pre Covid including a journey I did which was rammed. The last time I was in Harrow before the second lockdown, the H17’s were doing ok still though not as busy before. I think simply double decking the H17 (subject to route test) and leaving the other routes alone would be better than the proposal in the paper. Maybe a compromise option could be to instead merge H14 and H17, with a DD route between Hatch End and Wembley Central. This would be slightly shorter than going to Bushey Heath, so might be more reliable. This would break the link between Hatch End and Northwick Park, but the 182 serves nearby Oxhey Lane, and the 340 could perhaps extend in place to Northwick Park? The 258 could be cut back to terminate at Harrow Bus Station, with the 395 rerouted as proposed. This would mean 2 fewer routes terminating at Harrow Bus Station. |
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Post by bertrell on Dec 14, 2020 21:30:41 GMT
Clearly if one of the services to Watford was going to be withdrawn it'd have to be the 258 given that 142 provides many more unique links if looking at public transport as a whole (ref London Overground and 258). But I'm sure that removing the 258 from Watford nonetheless would meet with a lot of opposition. The idea of sending 258 to Wembley is certainly interesting! Some of the side roads in Wembley would be very difficult to be served by a DD bus. The 258 will fit around the back roads behind Wembley fire & police station easily & the Wembley central terminus easily enough. |
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Post by ronnie on Dec 14, 2020 21:51:44 GMT
Does it? I’ve always thought it was overbussed. Watford itself has plenty of local routes, it's not overbussed, but the 258 finishing in Bushey is no good for anyone. It would put a lot more pressure on the 142 unless it's a hint for people to switch to the Overground... This "Bus Driver's Son" is off to a flying start with his reforms so far  He clearly didn’t want to be anywhere close to a bus. And making sure the rest of London also doesn’t get close to one! |
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Post by COBO on Dec 15, 2020 4:16:40 GMT
As I mentioned previously, although I’m not local, my own observations saw quite a number of very busy H17’s pre Covid including a journey I did which was rammed. The last time I was in Harrow before the second lockdown, the H17’s were doing ok still though not as busy before. I think simply double decking the H17 (subject to route test) and leaving the other routes alone would be better than the proposal in the paper. Maybe a compromise option could be to instead merge H14 and H17, with a DD route between Hatch End and Wembley Central. This would be slightly shorter than going to Bushey Heath, so might be more reliable. This would break the link between Hatch End and Northwick Park, but the 182 serves nearby Oxhey Lane, and the 340 could perhaps extend in place to Northwick Park? The 258 could be cut back to terminate at Harrow Bus Station, with the 395 rerouted as proposed. This would mean 2 fewer routes terminating at Harrow Bus Station. I would not remove the H14 from Northwick ParK Hospital and the 182 won’t be the best replacement for the H14 because it doesn’t goes to the same places as the H14. |
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Post by COBO on Dec 18, 2020 0:36:54 GMT
So can Chaplin Road take dds? And can dds go around that left turn from Chaplin Road to Ealing Road?
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Post by bertrell on Dec 18, 2020 6:20:00 GMT
So can Chaplin Road take dds? And can dds go around that left turn from Chaplin Road to Ealing Road? Yes, indeed. |
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Post by COBO on Dec 18, 2020 6:20:53 GMT
So can Chaplin Road take dds? And can dds go around that left turn from Chaplin Road to Ealing Road? Yes, indeed. How do you know that? |
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Post by bertrell on Dec 18, 2020 7:45:27 GMT
Because I know the area very well indeed man.😄 Remember, this proposal may not even happen but time will tell... |
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