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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2020 20:45:37 GMT
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Post by Busboy105 on Dec 11, 2020 21:25:48 GMT
The 222 one is interesting. The Hounslow- Cranford corridor will lose a bus but would it be worth it sending it to Heathrow? Uxbridge finally getting a night service is huge for the area. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 11, 2020 21:33:50 GMT
Could the N140 cope between Harrow and Harrow Weald and divert the N18 to Uxbridge.
Not sure the 81 even with a freq increase could cope without the 222 between Heathrow North and Hounslow.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2020 21:37:59 GMT
The 222 one is interesting. The Hounslow- Cranford corridor will lose a bus but would it be worth it sending it to Heathrow? Uxbridge finally getting a night service is huge for the area. I would make Route 183 into a full night service being numbered N183 and extend from Harrow Bus Station via the proposed routing to Uxbridge, than creating a new night route with the daytime service remaining as it is of course. |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 11, 2020 21:38:54 GMT
The 222 one is interesting. The Hounslow- Cranford corridor will lose a bus but would it be worth it sending it to Heathrow? Uxbridge finally getting a night service is huge for the area. This is only a study and not a consultation - judging by previous studies, very few of these proposals make it into reality so not only does Uxbridge have a night service already in the N207 but it won’t be getting one unless a consultation comes about The 222 one identifies one of its biggest cons as drawing capacity away from the corridor it runs down so don’t see that one ever coming to light. The A10 one sounds pretty interesting as does the night service to Harrow but not particularly sure on the removal of the U7 and very surprisingly that it doesn’t mention a capacity increase for the U1 & U3 which arguably both deserve one, especially the latter. |
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Post by aaron1 on Dec 11, 2020 21:41:57 GMT
Wow Harrow and Uxbridge is getting a new night bus I came up with this idea like some thing of a N114 to Uxbridge via U1
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Post by vjaska on Dec 11, 2020 22:53:19 GMT
Wow Harrow and Uxbridge is getting a new night bus I came up with this idea like some thing of a N114 to Uxbridge via U1 As I've said above, this isn't a consultation so no Uxbridge isn't getting a new night link. |
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Post by buspete on Dec 11, 2020 23:10:43 GMT
Reading between the lines, Uxbridge bus station - will end up like Lewisham’s bus station.
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Post by buspete on Dec 11, 2020 23:11:09 GMT
Reading between the lines, Uxbridge bus station - will end up like Lewisham’s bus station.
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Post by TB123 on Dec 11, 2020 23:19:18 GMT
Surprised its taken so long for this to come out, I first was told about this last year! |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 11, 2020 23:50:13 GMT
Page 24 drew the most interest from me especially these two quotes:
"Analysis by TfL has shown that changes to the bus network in response to an extended pedestrian High Street would lead to a net reduction in people choosing to travel by bus"
"TfL believes that the best way to increase the number of people in Uxbridge choosing to travel by sustainable modes would be to re-introduce bus services along the full length of Uxbridge High Street. This would:
• Improve access to the town centre by bus.
• Reduce bus journey times to/from Uxbridge Station.
• Increase the number of people choosing to travel by bus.
• Decrease the number of people choosing to travel by private car"
Correct me if I'm wrong but this is the first time I've seen TfL say anything bad about pedestrianisation and the effects it can have on buses - regardless, it's great to see that TfL are even considering this sort of idea and I hope this is extended to other town centres with pedestrian zones that could be replaced.
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Post by TB123 on Dec 12, 2020 12:33:43 GMT
The 222 one is interesting. The Hounslow- Cranford corridor will lose a bus but would it be worth it sending it to Heathrow? Uxbridge finally getting a night service is huge for the area. This is only a study and not a consultation - judging by previous studies, very few of these proposals make it into reality so not only does Uxbridge have a night service already in the N207 but it won’t be getting one unless a consultation comes about The 222 one identifies one of its biggest cons as drawing capacity away from the corridor it runs down so don’t see that one ever coming to light. The A10 one sounds pretty interesting as does the night service to Harrow but not particularly sure on the removal of the U7 and very surprisingly that it doesn’t mention a capacity increase for the U1 & U3 which arguably both deserve one, especially the latter. Wouldn't be so sure about few of the ideas making it forward - recent network studies in Royal Docks/Beckton, Croydon & Sutton have all seen many ideas from recent network studies go through to consultations |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 12, 2020 13:22:50 GMT
This is only a study and not a consultation - judging by previous studies, very few of these proposals make it into reality so not only does Uxbridge have a night service already in the N207 but it won’t be getting one unless a consultation comes about The 222 one identifies one of its biggest cons as drawing capacity away from the corridor it runs down so don’t see that one ever coming to light. The A10 one sounds pretty interesting as does the night service to Harrow but not particularly sure on the removal of the U7 and very surprisingly that it doesn’t mention a capacity increase for the U1 & U3 which arguably both deserve one, especially the latter. Wouldn't be so sure about few of the ideas making it forward - recent network studies in Royal Docks/Beckton, Croydon & Sutton have all seen many ideas from recent network studies go through to consultations That's not what I meant - people were confusing this with an actual consultation thinking that the ideas will 100% go through which is what I'm getting at. Using the very same Croydon one, 4 ideas didn't make through and were listed as unfeasible whilst the 433 idea also didn't make it in so you could argue we were both right as 4 ideas made it to consultation from that paper  |
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Post by busman on Dec 12, 2020 14:00:11 GMT
Page 24 drew the most interest from me especially these two quotes: "Analysis by TfL has shown that changes to the bus network in response to an extended pedestrian High Street would lead to a net reduction in people choosing to travel by bus" "TfL believes that the best way to increase the number of people in Uxbridge choosing to travel by sustainable modes would be to re-introduce bus services along the full length of Uxbridge High Street. This would: • Improve access to the town centre by bus. • Reduce bus journey times to/from Uxbridge Station. • Increase the number of people choosing to travel by bus. • Decrease the number of people choosing to travel by private car" Correct me if I'm wrong but this is the first time I've seen TfL say anything bad about pedestrianisation and the effects it can have on buses - regardless, it's great to see that TfL are even considering this sort of idea and I hope this is extended to other town centres with pedestrian zones that could be replaced. Interesting. I’ve had the same feeling for years in terms of my own shopping habits and what I’ve observed in Woolwich. Buses used to pass the main shopping area on the way through Woolwich Town Centre. Not only was that convenient for people doing large amounts of shopping, it also enables you to see the range of shops on offer as you are passing by. When the area was pedestrianised, most of the shops became hidden from view. Car parking is a headache in Woolwich, so now everyone shops at the Charlton retail area or other locations like Bluewater. Is it just me, or has there been a change in sentiment from TfL towards buses since Andy Byford took over? |
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Post by TB123 on Dec 12, 2020 14:44:07 GMT
Page 24 drew the most interest from me especially these two quotes: "Analysis by TfL has shown that changes to the bus network in response to an extended pedestrian High Street would lead to a net reduction in people choosing to travel by bus" "TfL believes that the best way to increase the number of people in Uxbridge choosing to travel by sustainable modes would be to re-introduce bus services along the full length of Uxbridge High Street. This would: • Improve access to the town centre by bus. • Reduce bus journey times to/from Uxbridge Station. • Increase the number of people choosing to travel by bus. • Decrease the number of people choosing to travel by private car" Correct me if I'm wrong but this is the first time I've seen TfL say anything bad about pedestrianisation and the effects it can have on buses - regardless, it's great to see that TfL are even considering this sort of idea and I hope this is extended to other town centres with pedestrian zones that could be replaced. Is it just me, or has there been a change in sentiment from TfL towards buses since Andy Byford took over? I've definitely noticed a shift in sentiment towards buses since Byford arrived. Starting to become more pro-bus in my eyes. The director of bus operations at TfL is also about to depart (to become managing director at South Western Trains) so this could be a good opportunity for some fresh and enthusiastic blood from an external bus background. Interestingly what Byford did at New York with buses was move towards simplified networks and more direct/express routes. There was some signs of that here in London before his arrival so hopefully that journey is accelerated. Quite literally. |
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