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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 10:41:40 GMT
Even Shepherd's Bush or Cockfosters sounds a little funny. What about Elephant & Castle? What even is that? It's a pub as wirewiper said. Royal Oak was also named after a pub. Butts Farm in Feltham sounds so weird too, I'm sure it's not a farm. |
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Post by wirewiper on Feb 4, 2021 11:12:13 GMT
What about Elephant & Castle? What even is that? It's a pub as wirewiper said. Royal Oak was also named after a pub. Butts Farm in Feltham sounds so weird too, I'm sure it's not a farm. When you see the word "Butts" in a place name, it is usually a reference to archery. For centuries after the English victory over the French at Agincourt, able-bodied men were required to have archery skills so they could be called up to defend their country. Butts Farm would almost certainly have been a farm prior to being developed for housing, much of outer London was open countryside until well into the 20th Century. |
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Post by ronnie on Feb 4, 2021 16:22:07 GMT
It's a pub as wirewiper said. Royal Oak was also named after a pub. Butts Farm in Feltham sounds so weird too, I'm sure it's not a farm. When you see the word "Butts" in a place name, it is usually a reference to archery. For centuries after the English victory over the French at Agincourt, able-bodied men were required to have archery skills so they could be called up to defend their country. Butts Farm would almost certainly have been a farm prior to being developed for housing, much of outer London was open countryside until well into the 20th Century. Mudchute makes for an interesting place name. |
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Post by wirewiper on Feb 4, 2021 17:27:59 GMT
When you see the word "Butts" in a place name, it is usually a reference to archery. For centuries after the English victory over the French at Agincourt, able-bodied men were required to have archery skills so they could be called up to defend their country. Butts Farm would almost certainly have been a farm prior to being developed for housing, much of outer London was open countryside until well into the 20th Century. Mudchute makes for an interesting place name. The name stems from when Millwall Dock was excavated in the 1840s. Spoil from the excavation was dumped on nearby land forming the "mudchute" and quickly became a nature reserve. Millwall Dock gave its name to Millwall FC, who originally had their ground in the vicinity before they moved across the river to Bermondsey. Mudchute station was originally going to be named Millwall Park which is geographically accurate, but it was felt that football fans might travel there in error on matchdays. At the time the DLR was being constructed in the 1980s Millwall FC fans had a particular reputation for violence and hooliganism. |
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Post by ronnie on Feb 5, 2021 7:38:02 GMT
Mudchute makes for an interesting place name. The name stems from when Millwall Dock was excavated in the 1840s. Spoil from the excavation was dumped on nearby land forming the "mudchute" and quickly became a nature reserve. Millwall Dock gave its name to Millwall FC, who originally had their ground in the vicinity before they moved across the river to Bermondsey. Mudchute station was originally going to be named Millwall Park which is geographically accurate, but it was felt that football fans might travel there in error on matchdays. At the time the DLR was being constructed in the 1980s Millwall FC fans had a particular reputation for violence and hooliganism. Am aware but must crack up people saying “I live in mudchute” |
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Post by wirewiper on Feb 5, 2021 10:16:03 GMT
The name stems from when Millwall Dock was excavated in the 1840s. Spoil from the excavation was dumped on nearby land forming the "mudchute" and quickly became a nature reserve. Millwall Dock gave its name to Millwall FC, who originally had their ground in the vicinity before they moved across the river to Bermondsey. Mudchute station was originally going to be named Millwall Park which is geographically accurate, but it was felt that football fans might travel there in error on matchdays. At the time the DLR was being constructed in the 1980s Millwall FC fans had a particular reputation for violence and hooliganism. Am aware but must crack up people saying “I live in mudchute” I don't see why. The adjacent park and city farm are also named Mudchute. |
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Feb 5, 2021 12:47:02 GMT
With the Bakerloo line extension, I would also extend it to Watford Junction, replacing the Watford DC line. It would be rebranded as a Crossrail. Additional North London line trains will run between Stratford and Camden Road as usual and then to Queens Park calling at a new Primrose Hill Station, South Hampstead and Kilburn High Road.
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Post by wirewiper on Feb 5, 2021 12:56:42 GMT
With the Bakerloo line extension, I would also extend it to Watford Junction, replacing the Watford DC line. It would be rebranded as a Crossrail. Additional North London line trains will run between Stratford and Camden Road as usual and then to Queens Park calling at a new Primrose Hill Station, South Hampstead and Kilburn High Road. Bakerloo Line to Watford is one that gets trotted out from time to time. However the passenger numbers north of Harrow & Wealdstone are better suited to the London Overground's frequency and capacity - not to mention that the class 378s ride much better than the 72 stock  Also, going forward a direct link into HS2 at Euston could be useful. Is there capacity to squeeze those extra Overground trains though Camden Road? I doubt it as that line also carries considerable freight flows. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Feb 5, 2021 21:51:42 GMT
With the Bakerloo line extension, I would also extend it to Watford Junction, replacing the Watford DC line. It would be rebranded as a Crossrail. Additional North London line trains will run between Stratford and Camden Road as usual and then to Queens Park calling at a new Primrose Hill Station, South Hampstead and Kilburn High Road. No : an extended Bakerloo stops too often to be a Crossrail in my opinion. Use that logic to its natural conclusion, then all LU lines should be rebranded. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 18:08:33 GMT
Thought of the possibility of an orbital route across SW London in Zone 3 roughly near the SCR in the hope of reducing congestion on the SCR.
The line could be extended at either end but I propose the following stops on route:
Mortlake
Richmond Park (Sheen Gate)
Roehampton
Putney Heath
Southfields
Earlsfield
Wandsworth Common
Clapham South
Clapham Park
Streatham Hill
Alternative option is to stop at Brixton Hill and Herne Hill after Clapham South.
This would operate completely underground, and places where a train station exists, the new line would connect to those stations
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Post by redbus on May 8, 2021 18:26:16 GMT
With the Bakerloo line extension, I would also extend it to Watford Junction, replacing the Watford DC line. It would be rebranded as a Crossrail. Additional North London line trains will run between Stratford and Camden Road as usual and then to Queens Park calling at a new Primrose Hill Station, South Hampstead and Kilburn High Road. No : an extended Bakerloo stops too often to be a Crossrail in my opinion. Use that logic to its natural conclusion, then all LU lines should be rebranded. Personally I would like to see the Bakerloo Line go back to Watford Junction, but as an addition to the Overground. A 15 minute frequency on each, with a combined 7-8 minute frequency would I think be what is needed to increase passenger number, one of the cases of provide the service and passengers will come. |
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Post by vjaska on May 8, 2021 18:59:38 GMT
Thought of the possibility of an orbital route across SW London in Zone 3 roughly near the SCR in the hope of reducing congestion on the SCR. The line could be extended at either end but I propose the following stops on route: Mortlake Richmond Park (Sheen Gate) Roehampton Putney Heath Southfields Earlsfield Wandsworth Common Clapham South Clapham Park Streatham Hill Alternative option is to stop at Brixton Hill and Herne Hill after Clapham South. This would operate completely underground, and places where a train station exists, the new line would connect to those stations My only issue with this is where would build the neccessary stations that don't exist currently. My mean some of the good p;aces for them have already been used - for example, Clapham Park recently had a community centre built right by the Kings Avenue/Poynders Road/Atkins Road junction with previously it just being grass land - that would of been a perfect location for an underground station. Likewise at Streatham Hill where the Megabowl (man I miss that place dearly) was turned into flats with a M&S foodhall underneath - the Megabowl building was massive inside and would of provided the perfect space for a station - now you could buy up some shops at Streatham Hill but at Clapham Park, it would be tricky to construct one now. Brixton Hill would also be an issue - Olive Morris House, a landmark and former council building, would of been a good location although a bit too close to Brixton being at the bottom of the hill whilst Rush Common which runs in various sections alongside Brixton Hill has heavy restrictions in regards to buildings. The only other suitable place would of been the old petrol station near Blenheim Gardens but that too is now flats. It's a good idea, just very tricky to find the space needed for stations - the advantages with Nine Elms was there was space by Sainsbury's whilst at Battersea, the whole area was being redeveloped at the same time. It would likely relieve the 37 however if it served Herne Hill & Wandsworth in the process. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 10:24:14 GMT
Thought of the possibility of an orbital route across SW London in Zone 3 roughly near the SCR in the hope of reducing congestion on the SCR. The line could be extended at either end but I propose the following stops on route: Mortlake Richmond Park (Sheen Gate) Roehampton Putney Heath Southfields Earlsfield Wandsworth Common Clapham South Clapham Park Streatham Hill Alternative option is to stop at Brixton Hill and Herne Hill after Clapham South. This would operate completely underground, and places where a train station exists, the new line would connect to those stations My only issue with this is where would build the neccessary stations that don't exist currently. My mean some of the good p;aces for them have already been used - for example, Clapham Park recently had a community centre built right by the Kings Avenue/Poynders Road/Atkins Road junction with previously it just being grass land - that would of been a perfect location for an underground station. Likewise at Streatham Hill where the Megabowl (man I miss that place dearly) was turned into flats with a M&S foodhall underneath - the Megabowl building was massive inside and would of provided the perfect space for a station - now you could buy up some shops at Streatham Hill but at Clapham Park, it would be tricky to construct one now. Brixton Hill would also be an issue - Olive Morris House, a landmark and former council building, would of been a good location although a bit too close to Brixton being at the bottom of the hill whilst Rush Common which runs in various sections alongside Brixton Hill has heavy restrictions in regards to buildings. The only other suitable place would of been the old petrol station near Blenheim Gardens but that too is now flats. It's a good idea, just very tricky to find the space needed for stations - the advantages with Nine Elms was there was space by Sainsbury's whilst at Battersea, the whole area was being redeveloped at the same time. It would likely relieve the 37 however if it served Herne Hill & Wandsworth in the process. I thought of having station designs like Chancery Lane if necessary (where there aren't any surface buildings) but this could prove to be difficult. With Streatham Hill, trains could run under the station if possible. For Roehampton I've thought of possibly building at the eastern end of Danebury Avenue, and Putney Heath somewhere near where the buses terminate or on any stretch of the A219 between there and Tibbet's corner. Once again this would probably have to be without surface buildings and could be difficult. |
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Also, going forward a direct link into HS2 at Euston could be useful. 
