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Post by LondonNorthern on Mar 12, 2021 22:50:35 GMT
You're saying that as if the government can't afford the pay rise because of London Buses being subsidised, which isn't true. How about we start questioning the dodgy multi-million pound contracts awarded to businesses setup in Chinese hotel rooms for unusable face masks and other things. Maybe that's making the bigger dent in the budget? Why does it seem everyone is in denial. This country's and many others has been totally screwed by this pandemic. The increased interest payments required on the increased national debt will cripple this country for a couple of decades, with the basket case Health department taking a ever increasing % of the UK budget, having just recently approved a drug costing £1.79m a dose! Will get an indication on Tuesday just how big a hatchet job will be done on our military. Heavan forbid we ever need them, we can't defend ourselves anymore ... Will become surrender monkeys like one of our near neighbours.. We are in a tough financial situation and I a hundred percent understand that - however we need to retain as much normality as possible and we need an approach leaving the pandemic which encourages job creation e.g low taxation, low business rates however higher taxation and regulations on larger businesses that decimated our markets. This problem is not down to TFL operating a few cross border services, this is down to our governments building back policies. 10% hike in council tax in London is the problem, not enough disposable income means not enough money to spend on small businesses, which will contribute to our economy. We have been faced with the phenomon of people working from home, this will not be helped by slashing our transport network which is vital for people getting from A to B. If we have any chance of getting back to normal you need to make sure people can get back to work, therefore strengthening the economy. There will be a rude awakening from those whose jobs can be done fully from home and they pride themselves from it as they will potentially end up with their job being outsourced. The only hope we can have from having an economic boom is creating jobs and getting people back to work to support businesses, not by cutting cross border services or making it harder/preventing people from getting to work in the process. It is not going to be any easier to get people back to work or create jobs or support local economies and businesses by cutting services to and from places which are hotspots for economic growth such as the high street if redesigned or big out of town stores like Bluewater or Lakeside. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Mar 12, 2021 23:14:41 GMT
Why does it seem everyone is in denial. This country's and many others has been totally screwed by this pandemic. The increased interest payments required on the increased national debt will cripple this country for a couple of decades, with the basket case Health department taking a ever increasing % of the UK budget, having just recently approved a drug costing £1.79m a dose! Will get an indication on Tuesday just how big a hatchet job will be done on our military. Heavan forbid we ever need them, we can't defend ourselves anymore ... Will become surrender monkeys like one of our near neighbours.. We are in a tough financial situation and I a hundred percent understand that - however we need to retain as much normality as possible and we need an approach leaving the pandemic which encourages job creation e.g low taxation, low business rates however higher taxation and regulations on larger businesses that decimated our markets. This problem is not down to TFL operating a few cross border services, this is down to our governments building back policies. 10% hike in council tax in London is the problem, not enough disposable income means not enough money to spend on small businesses, which will contribute to our economy. We have been faced with the phenomon of people working from home, this will not be helped by slashing our transport network which is vital for people getting from A to B. If we have any chance of getting back to normal you need to make sure people can get back to work, therefore strengthening the economy. There will be a rude awakening from those whose jobs can be done fully from home and they pride themselves from it as they will potentially end up with their job being outsourced. The only hope we can have from having an economic boom is creating jobs and getting people back to work to support businesses, not by cutting cross border services or making it harder/preventing people from getting to work in the process. It is not going to be any easier to get people back to work or create jobs or support local economies and businesses by cutting services to and from places which are hotspots for economic growth such as the high street if redesigned or big out of town stores like Bluewater or Lakeside. And to add on that point there's some people out there that want this to continue for as long as possible. Right now many people are on edge about their jobs. Gone of the days where one would have a job for life. So when it's time for people to go back into the office if some people refuse this and there's no middle ground they may end up with a P45 or in some cases a golden handshake. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 23:16:40 GMT
Why does it seem everyone is in denial. This country's and many others has been totally screwed by this pandemic. The increased interest payments required on the increased national debt will cripple this country for a couple of decades, with the basket case Health department taking a ever increasing % of the UK budget, having just recently approved a drug costing £1.79m a dose! Will get an indication on Tuesday just how big a hatchet job will be done on our military. Heavan forbid we ever need them, we can't defend ourselves anymore ... Will become surrender monkeys like one of our near neighbours.. We are in a tough financial situation and I a hundred percent understand that - however we need to retain as much normality as possible and we need an approach leaving the pandemic which encourages job creation e.g low taxation, low business rates however higher taxation and regulations on larger businesses that decimated our markets. This problem is not down to TFL operating a few cross border services, this is down to our governments building back policies. 10% hike in council tax in London is the problem, not enough disposable income means not enough money to spend on small businesses, which will contribute to our economy. We have been faced with the phenomon of people working from home, this will not be helped by slashing our transport network which is vital for people getting from A to B. If we have any chance of getting back to normal you need to make sure people can get back to work, therefore strengthening the economy. There will be a rude awakening from those whose jobs can be done fully from home and they pride themselves from it as they will potentially end up with their job being outsourced. The only hope we can have from having an economic boom is creating jobs and getting people back to work to support businesses, not by cutting cross border services or making it harder/preventing people from getting to work in the process. It is not going to be any easier to get people back to work or create jobs or support local economies and businesses by cutting services to and from places which are hotspots for economic growth such as the high street if redesigned or big out of town stores like Bluewater or Lakeside. Offices *should* start opening up again once restrictions are lifted in June long before any changes are made to the bus network. Don't think a few cross border services are going to have a impact on getting people back to work in central London. |
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 12, 2021 23:41:18 GMT
Why does it seem everyone is in denial. This country's and many others has been totally screwed by this pandemic. The increased interest payments required on the increased national debt will cripple this country for a couple of decades, with the basket case Health department taking a ever increasing % of the UK budget, having just recently approved a drug costing £1.79m a dose! Will get an indication on Tuesday just how big a hatchet job will be done on our military. Heavan forbid we ever need them, we can't defend ourselves anymore ... Will become surrender monkeys like one of our near neighbours.. We are in a tough financial situation and I a hundred percent understand that - however we need to retain as much normality as possible and we need an approach leaving the pandemic which encourages job creation e.g low taxation, low business rates however higher taxation and regulations on larger businesses that decimated our markets. This problem is not down to TFL operating a few cross border services, this is down to our governments building back policies. 10% hike in council tax in London is the problem, not enough disposable income means not enough money to spend on small businesses, which will contribute to our economy. We have been faced with the phenomon of people working from home, this will not be helped by slashing our transport network which is vital for people getting from A to B. If we have any chance of getting back to normal you need to make sure people can get back to work, therefore strengthening the economy. There will be a rude awakening from those whose jobs can be done fully from home and they pride themselves from it as they will potentially end up with their job being outsourced. The only hope we can have from having an economic boom is creating jobs and getting people back to work to support businesses, not by cutting cross border services or making it harder/preventing people from getting to work in the process. It is not going to be any easier to get people back to work or create jobs or support local economies and businesses by cutting services to and from places which are hotspots for economic growth such as the high street if redesigned or big out of town stores like Bluewater or Lakeside. Easy said than done, if you tax bigger companies too hard that will restructure and move abroad if hit too hard, meaning to have less tax income from them. Maybe not straight away, but sometime in the next 2-5 years there will have to be tax rises for all no matter who is in power. Governments can't not just pay out the sums of money they have with being able to reclaim it. Difficult choices will need to be made ... only so many ways to slice a cake. If will probably be whoever wins the next election that gets to deal with the real poo. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 13, 2021 0:03:21 GMT
We are in a tough financial situation and I a hundred percent understand that - however we need to retain as much normality as possible and we need an approach leaving the pandemic which encourages job creation e.g low taxation, low business rates however higher taxation and regulations on larger businesses that decimated our markets. This problem is not down to TFL operating a few cross border services, this is down to our governments building back policies. 10% hike in council tax in London is the problem, not enough disposable income means not enough money to spend on small businesses, which will contribute to our economy. We have been faced with the phenomon of people working from home, this will not be helped by slashing our transport network which is vital for people getting from A to B. If we have any chance of getting back to normal you need to make sure people can get back to work, therefore strengthening the economy. There will be a rude awakening from those whose jobs can be done fully from home and they pride themselves from it as they will potentially end up with their job being outsourced. The only hope we can have from having an economic boom is creating jobs and getting people back to work to support businesses, not by cutting cross border services or making it harder/preventing people from getting to work in the process. It is not going to be any easier to get people back to work or create jobs or support local economies and businesses by cutting services to and from places which are hotspots for economic growth such as the high street if redesigned or big out of town stores like Bluewater or Lakeside. Easy said than done, if you tax bigger companies too hard that will restructure and move abroad if hit too hard, meaning to have less tax income from them. Maybe not straight away, but sometime in the next 2-5 years there will have to be tax rises for all no matter who is in power. Governments can't not just pay out the sums of money they have with being able to reclaim it. Difficult choices will need to be made ... only so many ways to slice a cake. If will probably be whoever wins the next election that gets to deal with the real poo. You do have many companies moving to the Far East, to places such as Singapore and Malaysia already due to their relaxed tax laws so increasing corporation taxes here would only go so far. I think in general what might happen is business taxes are raised to a level where it will probably negatively impact small businesses, but have a negligible impact on the large ones such as Amazon and Tesco |
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Post by ianhardy on Mar 13, 2021 9:51:32 GMT
As the person who first suggested that TfL cuts bus services that cross the Greater London boundary. The reason I suggested this is that the residents of the London Boroughs have to pay a precept to TfL as part of their Council Tax. In return TfL fares are cheap compared to those outside of London. Apart from Surrey residents, none of the other residents pay anything to fund the London subsidised fares that they charged. When TfL is broke why should Londoners be funding cheap fares outside of Greater London, when TfL has to reduce bus services in London? If the routes that cross the GL boundary are so popular then why don't the likes of Ensignbus run services from Thurrock into Greater London commercially? The reason is that they could not run a service commericially when only charging £1.50 flat fares without any local authority support. Therefore here is another idea, the routes are unchanged but the fares on TfL bus routes that cross the GL Boundary are changed: Within Greater London fares would be at the flat rate (£1.50 or whatever the flat rate would be) but as soon as the route crossed the GL boundary then commercial fares would be charged. Then Londoners would only be funding cheap fares within London but the services would continue to cross the boundary enabling current journeys to be possible. Light blue touch paper and withdraw:-) That wouldn't be feasible because anyone from outside London would still pay £1.50 on their return journey to the provinces and Londoners wanting to re-enter London would be charged higher than £1.50. No the £1.50 flat fare would only be valid within Greater London and any journey that crosses the boundary would be charged at the commercial rate beyond the Greater London boundary. This would however require people to touch out when leaving the bus as per the underground.
By requiring people to touch out would allow TfL to re-introduce a graduated fare structure, as at present, on the X26, it costs the same £1.50 to go the 1/2 mile from West Croydon to East Croydon as it does to go the 24 miles all the way to Heathrow Airport which is a bargain when you consider that in the rest of the country a 1/2 mile journey would be about £2.00 but a 24 mile journey would be about £5.00. Re-introduce a graduated fare structure could improve TfL finances.
This would also give TfL a more accurate way of accessing service usage, because the only way is by assuming that somebody getting on at point A at 07:30 in the morning gets off at the stop nearest to point B where they get on to go home in the evening.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 10:08:17 GMT
That wouldn't be feasible because anyone from outside London would still pay £1.50 on their return journey to the provinces and Londoners wanting to re-enter London would be charged higher than £1.50. No the £1.50 flat fare would only be valid within Greater London and any journey that crosses the boundary would be charged at the commercial rate beyond the Greater London boundary. This would however require people to touch out when leaving the bus as per the underground.
By requiring people to touch out would allow TfL to re-introduce a graduated fare structure, as at present, on the X26, it costs the same £1.50 to go the 1/2 mile from West Croydon to East Croydon as it does to go the 24 miles all the way to Heathrow Airport which is a bargain when you consider that in the rest of the country a 1/2 mile journey would be about £2.00 but a 24 mile journey would be about £5.00. Re-introduce a graduated fare structure could improve TfL finances.
This would also give TfL a more accurate way of accessing service usage, because the only way is by assuming that somebody getting on at point A at 07:30 in the morning gets off at the stop nearest to point B where they get on to go home in the evening.
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 13, 2021 11:22:34 GMT
That wouldn't be feasible because anyone from outside London would still pay £1.50 on their return journey to the provinces and Londoners wanting to re-enter London would be charged higher than £1.50. No the £1.50 flat fare would only be valid within Greater London and any journey that crosses the boundary would be charged at the commercial rate beyond the Greater London boundary. This would however require people to touch out when leaving the bus as per the underground. By requiring people to touch out would allow TfL to re-introduce a graduated fare structure, as at present, on the X26, it costs the same £1.50 to go the 1/2 mile from West Croydon to East Croydon as it does to go the 24 miles all the way to Heathrow Airport which is a bargain when you consider that in the rest of the country a 1/2 mile journey would be about £2.00 but a 24 mile journey would be about £5.00. Re-introduce a graduated fare structure could improve TfL finances. This would also give TfL a more accurate way of accessing service usage, because the only way is by assuming that somebody getting on at point A at 07:30 in the morning gets off at the stop nearest to point B where they get on to go home in the evening.
I know on the 420 now they have a touch in touch out system for contactless or you can still pay the driver and give your destination. Obviusly that wouldn't work in London due to speed but maybe one some cross border or route like the X26 they could do a touch out to pay the correct fare. |
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Post by bus12451 on Mar 13, 2021 12:10:30 GMT
That wouldn't be feasible because anyone from outside London would still pay £1.50 on their return journey to the provinces and Londoners wanting to re-enter London would be charged higher than £1.50. No the £1.50 flat fare would only be valid within Greater London and any journey that crosses the boundary would be charged at the commercial rate beyond the Greater London boundary. This would however require people to touch out when leaving the bus as per the underground.
By requiring people to touch out would allow TfL to re-introduce a graduated fare structure, as at present, on the X26, it costs the same £1.50 to go the 1/2 mile from West Croydon to East Croydon as it does to go the 24 miles all the way to Heathrow Airport which is a bargain when you consider that in the rest of the country a 1/2 mile journey would be about £2.00 but a 24 mile journey would be about £5.00. Re-introduce a graduated fare structure could improve TfL finances.
This would also give TfL a more accurate way of accessing service usage, because the only way is by assuming that somebody getting on at point A at 07:30 in the morning gets off at the stop nearest to point B where they get on to go home in the evening.
Using the 96 as an example - why should a one stop journey in Dartford between 'Bird In Hand' and 'Havelock Road' cost more than a one stop journey in Crayford between 'Bigs Hill Wood' and 'Bourne Road', when you're paying to use the same bus service for an equivalent journey? I don't think that is fair. We have seen the trend over the last decade where Central London bus routes have experienced a decline in usage while cross border routes have seen a rise. If Sadiq Khan is to remain as mayor after May 2021, then we will continue to see improvements in Outer London buses rather than cuts, which makes sense given the change in commuting habits. Not too keen on a graduated fare structure - Wouldn't it require Oyster card readers at each door on every bus? Can't see them doing that especially when LTs have had all of their middle and rear door readers removed. How would the Hopper fare work? I'd also imagine that some people would outsmart the system by touching in when boarding, then touching out at the next stop without alighting the bus, so they would be charged less than they should have been for that journey so TfL would lose out on fare revenue. Nice idea on paper, but it wouldn't work in reality. |
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Post by danorak on Mar 13, 2021 12:26:08 GMT
No the £1.50 flat fare would only be valid within Greater London and any journey that crosses the boundary would be charged at the commercial rate beyond the Greater London boundary. This would however require people to touch out when leaving the bus as per the underground. By requiring people to touch out would allow TfL to re-introduce a graduated fare structure, as at present, on the X26, it costs the same £1.50 to go the 1/2 mile from West Croydon to East Croydon as it does to go the 24 miles all the way to Heathrow Airport which is a bargain when you consider that in the rest of the country a 1/2 mile journey would be about £2.00 but a 24 mile journey would be about £5.00. Re-introduce a graduated fare structure could improve TfL finances. This would also give TfL a more accurate way of accessing service usage, because the only way is by assuming that somebody getting on at point A at 07:30 in the morning gets off at the stop nearest to point B where they get on to go home in the evening.
Using the 96 as an example - why should a one stop journey in Dartford between 'Bird In Hand' and 'Havelock Road' cost more than a one stop journey in Crayford between 'Bigs Hill Wood' and 'Bourne Road', when you're paying to use the same bus service for an equivalent journey? I don't think that is fair. We have seen the trend over the last decade where Central London bus routes have experienced a decline in usage while cross border routes have seen a rise. If Sadiq Khan is to remain as mayor after May 2021, then we will continue to see improvements in Outer London buses rather than cuts, which makes sense given the change in commuting habits. Not too keen on a graduated fare structure - Wouldn't it require Oyster card readers at each door on every bus? Can't see them doing that especially when LTs have had all of their middle and rear door readers removed. How would the Hopper fare work? I'd also imagine that some people would outsmart the system by touching in when boarding, then touching out at the next stop without alighting the bus, so they would be charged less than they should have been for that journey so TfL would lose out on fare revenue. Nice idea on paper, but it wouldn't work in reality. Needing to touch out would slow dwell times, and that has knock-on effects on the economics of running a service. One of those examples where chasing every penny would probably be counter-productive - think of the cost of adapting back-office systems, adding extra card readers, potential confusion to users, and ticketing enforcement staff. The latter would be better focused on really busy routes in inner areas, but if they're not deployed, who will bother to touch out? |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 13, 2021 13:38:30 GMT
No the £1.50 flat fare would only be valid within Greater London and any journey that crosses the boundary would be charged at the commercial rate beyond the Greater London boundary. This would however require people to touch out when leaving the bus as per the underground. By requiring people to touch out would allow TfL to re-introduce a graduated fare structure, as at present, on the X26, it costs the same £1.50 to go the 1/2 mile from West Croydon to East Croydon as it does to go the 24 miles all the way to Heathrow Airport which is a bargain when you consider that in the rest of the country a 1/2 mile journey would be about £2.00 but a 24 mile journey would be about £5.00. Re-introduce a graduated fare structure could improve TfL finances. This would also give TfL a more accurate way of accessing service usage, because the only way is by assuming that somebody getting on at point A at 07:30 in the morning gets off at the stop nearest to point B where they get on to go home in the evening.
Using the 96 as an example - why should a one stop journey in Dartford between 'Bird In Hand' and 'Havelock Road' cost more than a one stop journey in Crayford between 'Bigs Hill Wood' and 'Bourne Road', when you're paying to use the same bus service for an equivalent journey? I don't think that is fair. We have seen the trend over the last decade where Central London bus routes have experienced a decline in usage while cross border routes have seen a rise. If Sadiq Khan is to remain as mayor after May 2021, then we will continue to see improvements in Outer London buses rather than cuts, which makes sense given the change in commuting habits. Not too keen on a graduated fare structure - Wouldn't it require Oyster card readers at each door on every bus? Can't see them doing that especially when LTs have had all of their middle and rear door readers removed. How would the Hopper fare work? I'd also imagine that some people would outsmart the system by touching in when boarding, then touching out at the next stop without alighting the bus, so they would be charged less than they should have been for that journey so TfL would lose out on fare revenue. Nice idea on paper, but it wouldn't work in reality. Khan is right to invest in Outer London but the problem with him is he is brazenly ignoring Inner London. A lot of the Central London routes serve secondary purposes within Inner London and we have to be careful how deep we cut as Inner London areas still require investment. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Mar 13, 2021 14:07:10 GMT
No the £1.50 flat fare would only be valid within Greater London and any journey that crosses the boundary would be charged at the commercial rate beyond the Greater London boundary. This would however require people to touch out when leaving the bus as per the underground.
By requiring people to touch out would allow TfL to re-introduce a graduated fare structure, as at present, on the X26, it costs the same £1.50 to go the 1/2 mile from West Croydon to East Croydon as it does to go the 24 miles all the way to Heathrow Airport which is a bargain when you consider that in the rest of the country a 1/2 mile journey would be about £2.00 but a 24 mile journey would be about £5.00. Re-introduce a graduated fare structure could improve TfL finances.
This would also give TfL a more accurate way of accessing service usage, because the only way is by assuming that somebody getting on at point A at 07:30 in the morning gets off at the stop nearest to point B where they get on to go home in the evening.
Using the 96 as an example - why should a one stop journey in Dartford between 'Bird In Hand' and 'Havelock Road' cost more than a one stop journey in Crayford between 'Bigs Hill Wood' and 'Bourne Road', when you're paying to use the same bus service for an equivalent journey? I don't think that is fair. We have seen the trend over the last decade where Central London bus routes have experienced a decline in usage while cross border routes have seen a rise. If Sadiq Khan is to remain as mayor after May 2021, then we will continue to see improvements in Outer London buses rather than cuts, which makes sense given the change in commuting habits. Not too keen on a graduated fare structure - Wouldn't it require Oyster card readers at each door on every bus? Can't see them doing that especially when LTs have had all of their middle and rear door readers removed. How would the Hopper fare work? I'd also imagine that some people would outsmart the system by touching in when boarding, then touching out at the next stop without alighting the bus, so they would be charged less than they should have been for that journey so TfL would lose out on fare revenue. Nice idea on paper, but it wouldn't work in reality. I think Central London did have too many bus routes but that decline was down to things such as traffic and congestion and absolutely they should invest in Outer but not everywhere has received this investment. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 15:00:25 GMT
Using the 96 as an example - why should a one stop journey in Dartford between 'Bird In Hand' and 'Havelock Road' cost more than a one stop journey in Crayford between 'Bigs Hill Wood' and 'Bourne Road', when you're paying to use the same bus service for an equivalent journey? I don't think that is fair. We have seen the trend over the last decade where Central London bus routes have experienced a decline in usage while cross border routes have seen a rise. If Sadiq Khan is to remain as mayor after May 2021, then we will continue to see improvements in Outer London buses rather than cuts, which makes sense given the change in commuting habits. Not too keen on a graduated fare structure - Wouldn't it require Oyster card readers at each door on every bus? Can't see them doing that especially when LTs have had all of their middle and rear door readers removed. How would the Hopper fare work? I'd also imagine that some people would outsmart the system by touching in when boarding, then touching out at the next stop without alighting the bus, so they would be charged less than they should have been for that journey so TfL would lose out on fare revenue. Nice idea on paper, but it wouldn't work in reality. Khan is right to invest in Outer London but the problem with him is he is brazenly ignoring Inner London. A lot of the Central London routes serve secondary purposes within Inner London and we have to be careful how deep we cut as Inner London areas still require investment. True but I think the majority of bus passenger growth in the next decade will come from outer London communities as opposed to inner and Central London. Personally I would expect a flatline in inner London and a decline in central so it is right to reposition bus services from central London to inner/outer London routes. Perhaps we could see routes like the 14/188 etc sacrifice their central London sections for further extensions on their outer sections. Fewer central London routes with a higher focus on tube or train journeys with a push to mixed use in inner London and a far bigger push to bus usage in outer London. |
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Post by bus12451 on Mar 13, 2021 15:23:20 GMT
Using the 96 as an example - why should a one stop journey in Dartford between 'Bird In Hand' and 'Havelock Road' cost more than a one stop journey in Crayford between 'Bigs Hill Wood' and 'Bourne Road', when you're paying to use the same bus service for an equivalent journey? I don't think that is fair. We have seen the trend over the last decade where Central London bus routes have experienced a decline in usage while cross border routes have seen a rise. If Sadiq Khan is to remain as mayor after May 2021, then we will continue to see improvements in Outer London buses rather than cuts, which makes sense given the change in commuting habits. Not too keen on a graduated fare structure - Wouldn't it require Oyster card readers at each door on every bus? Can't see them doing that especially when LTs have had all of their middle and rear door readers removed. How would the Hopper fare work? I'd also imagine that some people would outsmart the system by touching in when boarding, then touching out at the next stop without alighting the bus, so they would be charged less than they should have been for that journey so TfL would lose out on fare revenue. Nice idea on paper, but it wouldn't work in reality. I think Central London did have too many bus routes but that decline was down to things such as traffic and congestion and absolutely they should invest in Outer but not everywhere has received this investment. Yes but the decline means that there will be some routes with excess capacity providing an opportunity to cut the frequencies of those routes. It should then be a case of those resources moving to areas where they would be more useful, whether that be Inner London as vjaska suggests or Outer London. Although in the case of Inner London, improvements wouldn't involve any routes that go into Central London, obviously. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 16:07:32 GMT
As the person who first suggested that TfL cuts bus services that cross the Greater London boundary. The reason I suggested this is that the residents of the London Boroughs have to pay a precept to TfL as part of their Council Tax. In return TfL fares are cheap compared to those outside of London. Apart from Surrey residents, none of the other residents pay anything to fund the London subsidised fares that they charged. When TfL is broke why should Londoners be funding cheap fares outside of Greater London, when TfL has to reduce bus services in London? If the routes that cross the GL boundary are so popular then why don't the likes of Ensignbus run services from Thurrock into Greater London commercially? The reason is that they could not run a service commericially when only charging £1.50 flat fares without any local authority support. Therefore here is another idea, the routes are unchanged but the fares on TfL bus routes that cross the GL Boundary are changed: Within Greater London fares would be at the flat rate (£1.50 or whatever the flat rate would be) but as soon as the route crossed the GL boundary then commercial fares would be charged. Then Londoners would only be funding cheap fares within London but the services would continue to cross the boundary enabling current journeys to be possible. Light blue touch paper and withdraw:-) That’s not an original idea. Fare and pass validity was always different in the “country zone” . Perhaps not a bad suggestion ? |
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