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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 8, 2021 23:37:07 GMT
People were talking about buses bring too indirect these days. I'll give an example being the 125 & 382 between Finchley & Southgate. The 125 is the sort of route that ensures links are maintained and big town centres are connected whereas the majority of the 382 routing is along the lines of something you would do in a car pretty much (except round Brookside & Ladderswood Estate) Key issue being the 382 would still need to stop at bus stops and is subject to people waiting a certain frequency. While in a car these factors do not exist. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 8, 2021 23:43:05 GMT
People were talking about buses bring too indirect these days. I'll give an example being the 125 & 382 between Finchley & Southgate. The 125 is the sort of route that ensures links are maintained and big town centres are connected whereas the majority of the 382 routing is along the lines of something you would do in a car pretty much (except round Brookside & Ladderswood Estate) Key issue being the 382 would still need to stop at bus stops and is subject to people waiting a certain frequency. While in a car these factors do not exist. But the 382 can be rammed most of the day between Finchley & Southgate and could do with longer single deckers so it shows people are willing to wait longer and to attract more custom I'd increase the freq. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 9, 2021 11:51:55 GMT
Went out today on lots of different buses and trains as I had a day off and oh goodness everything has picked up again. Couldn't believe how busy the Overground was during the day as with Stratford, Liverpool Street, Waterloo & London Bridge. from what I've seen today, things seem relatively normal
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Post by jrussa on Apr 9, 2021 13:54:02 GMT
Went out today on lots of different buses and trains as I had a day off and oh goodness everything has picked up again. Couldn't believe how busy the Overground was during the day as with Stratford, Liverpool Street, Waterloo & London Bridge. from what I've seen today, things seem relatively normal I guess businesses are having staff meetings and getting prepared for Monday. Monday is going to be a dreadful day (in terms of social distancing) and it will take some adjusting for those of us who have had to travel everyday to work during the last three months or so. Not so busy buses, empty streets during the evening/ night. ALL CHANGE FROM SUNDAY EVENING. I know people will be at pubs and getting hair cuts from 11:59pm Sunday (Ridiculous)   |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 10, 2021 4:42:45 GMT
Latest rumour (from a more credible source this time) is that the 388 will be extended to Old Kent Road Tescos. Maybe route 388 will be extended to Old Kent Road Tesco next April, route 432 will gain an increased frequency and route 415 will be withdrawn rather than have a new tender term. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 10, 2021 4:52:11 GMT
For me personally most the rumours that have emerged have had some credibility as they are similar to what TFL have done in the past. For me the 43 cutback, 148/45 are all credible which just made me think there 'may' be some truth in them. If anything I think route 21 could be curtailed at London Bridge with route 43 unchanged. Route 21 north of London Bridge would still be covered by route 141 plus route 43 as far as Old Street. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 10, 2021 4:59:52 GMT
Also, the route 59 idea is a non-starter lol as it would make the route very long, I think however the 168 will be shortened to Aldwych. Would it? If routes such as the 88 can exist, I don’t think it’s at all beyond the realms of possibility to see the 59 replace the northern end of the 168. The only other possibility as I see it would be the 68, but that is already both lengthy and slow so probably not likely to be considered for any further extension. What gives the route 59 extension to Hampstead Heath added credibility is the rumour/report of its curtailment at Brixton. This would thus reduce the risk of it becoming too long. Route 88 could be curtailed at Trafalgar Square with a replacement route between Parliament Hill and Oxford Circus, probably run by GAL (NP). I doubt it would be numbered C2 this time as so few routes have letters anymore. It could be numbered 438 instead.  |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 10, 2021 5:06:29 GMT
The 15 can't leave Trafalgar Square, it has historical reasons aswell 11 has a history. Towards Waterloo however, a 341 cut back to Aldwych could be possible. Just re-number the 26 the 15, the 311 the 11 and make the 26 disappear  We could then double the number 13 to 26. The Victoria - North Finchley link was covered by a route 26 until 1978 anyway. Oh, and if TfL worry about people missing route 13 along Finchley Road the remedy is simple. Drop the 1 at the front of route 113.  |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 10, 2021 5:21:53 GMT
Hang on. Where have I missed this 148 confirmation? On the RATP thread. It says it was considered to be cut to Victoria and I'm assuming the 45 extended to be replace. Cant say i see the point of it. Particularly as 1 reason for the introduction of route 148 had been the round-the-corner link at Victoria. Rides such as St James' Park to Hyde Park Corner cannot be done directly on the Underground either. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 10, 2021 7:06:11 GMT
Would it? If routes such as the 88 can exist, I don’t think it’s at all beyond the realms of possibility to see the 59 replace the northern end of the 168. The only other possibility as I see it would be the 68, but that is already both lengthy and slow so probably not likely to be considered for any further extension. What gives the route 59 extension to Hampstead Heath added credibility is the rumour/report of its curtailment at Brixton. This would thus reduce the risk of it becoming too long. Route 88 could be curtailed at Trafalgar Square with a replacement route between Parliament Hill and Oxford Circus, probably run by GAL (NP). I doubt it would be numbered C2 this time as so few routes have letters anymore. It could be numbered 438 instead. The rumour thou was an April Fool. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 10, 2021 12:50:18 GMT
Would it? If routes such as the 88 can exist, I don’t think it’s at all beyond the realms of possibility to see the 59 replace the northern end of the 168. The only other possibility as I see it would be the 68, but that is already both lengthy and slow so probably not likely to be considered for any further extension. What gives the route 59 extension to Hampstead Heath added credibility is the rumour/report of its curtailment at Brixton. This would thus reduce the risk of it becoming too long. Route 88 could be curtailed at Trafalgar Square with a replacement route between Parliament Hill and Oxford Circus, probably run by GAL (NP). I doubt it would be numbered C2 this time as so few routes have letters anymore. It could be numbered 438 instead. I created the rumour as part of April Fools and it was really interesting to see people at first believe it. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 10, 2021 12:53:28 GMT
What gives the route 59 extension to Hampstead Heath added credibility is the rumour/report of its curtailment at Brixton. This would thus reduce the risk of it becoming too long. Route 88 could be curtailed at Trafalgar Square with a replacement route between Parliament Hill and Oxford Circus, probably run by GAL (NP). I doubt it would be numbered C2 this time as so few routes have letters anymore. It could be numbered 438 instead. I created the rumour as part of April Fools and it was really interesting to see people at first believe it. Probably because anything could be possible at the moment. Admittedly both those routes are mroe liable for a cut in the central end rather then outer end but still could have been true with the hopper fare |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 10, 2021 13:08:28 GMT
What gives the route 59 extension to Hampstead Heath added credibility is the rumour/report of its curtailment at Brixton. This would thus reduce the risk of it becoming too long. Route 88 could be curtailed at Trafalgar Square with a replacement route between Parliament Hill and Oxford Circus, probably run by GAL (NP). I doubt it would be numbered C2 this time as so few routes have letters anymore. It could be numbered 438 instead. I created the rumour as part of April Fools and it was really interesting to see people at first believe it. At least it was halfway believable, even if only as a replacement to route 168 for example. |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 10, 2021 13:41:01 GMT
I created the rumour as part of April Fools and it was really interesting to see people at first believe it. Probably because anything could be possible at the moment. Admittedly both those routes are mroe liable for a cut in the central end rather then outer end but still could have been true with the hopper fare But it wouldn’t of made much financial saving - it takes 5-10 minutes max even at the worse of times due to Brixton Hill having bus lanes in both directions to make it to the garage and if cut back, people will start moaning about buses running dead to & from the garage in the same way they moan about dead running buses along Brighton Road to & from Croydon |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 10, 2021 14:00:16 GMT
Probably because anything could be possible at the moment. Admittedly both those routes are mroe liable for a cut in the central end rather then outer end but still could have been true with the hopper fare But it wouldn’t of made much financial saving - it takes 5-10 minutes max even at the worse of times due to Brixton Hill having bus lanes in both directions to make it to the garage and if cut back, people will start moaning about buses running dead to & from the garage in the same way they moan about dead running buses along Brighton Road to & from Croydon Agreed, whenever I have waited for a bus outside Brixton Station the stop towards Streatham Hill is always super busy and routes like the 45 & 59 manage more local crowds going down Brixton Hill while the remaining 6 (109, 118, 133, 159, 250, 333) are more for crowds going towards Streatham. I did think the freq reduction on the 118 was quite retrogade as the 118 I have always found to be very busy. As for the Brixton Hill corridor, I can't see anything really get pulled other than possibly something to do with the 133 & 333 and I do hope the 333 does not go as it's links on the northern section are very unique whilst the 133 punches 8.3 million every year. Comparatively in the past 10 years the 333 has only made a net loss of passengers by about 150000. |
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