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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 11, 2021 6:53:26 GMT
The 333 will definitely survive though as it provides valuable capacity along the core Streatham to Brixton section. Whilst the 50 and 255 turn off early and the 59 only comes down as far as Telford Avenue, like with the full length old Kent Road routes they are all very busy feeding into the main objective of Brixton Station.
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 11, 2021 8:06:39 GMT
Even in 2003 when traffic wasn't as sniffling as now (no cycle lanes, private higher was much less prevalent abd no Uber style) it was still sensible to separate the Tooting end from the City and create the 333.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Apr 13, 2021 22:32:42 GMT
Well Boris possibly saw it to be self sufficient and it would have possibly been if he continued as mayor. If we never had the fares freeze, fast food and beach body ready type advert bans, they would have not gone in the red even before the pandemic. If Khan was not so arrogant there could have been a reversal or otherwise with subsidy. Khan is typical of biting the hand that feeds him. Lol, Boris didn't see anything so please don't wash over his mistake and it's pretty clear to see that the decision he took with the government has massively backfired. Khan has made big errors of which I pointed out his two biggest ones in the fares freeze and hopper fare which despite giving me benefits, also presents revenue gaps that hinder investment. So whilst you haven't said it, if you going to label me as anti Boris or pro Khan, please don't because I've previously voted for Boris and have never voted for Khan just like referring to us who want less congestion and who never suggested removing cars entirely as 'anti-car' - there seems to be a trend of sticking certain labels out there so thought I'd get over with ASAP  I am surprised you did not vote Khan last election. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Apr 13, 2021 22:40:54 GMT
Key issue being the 382 would still need to stop at bus stops and is subject to people waiting a certain frequency. While in a car these factors do not exist. But the 382 can be rammed most of the day between Finchley & Southgate and could do with longer single deckers so it shows people are willing to wait longer and to attract more custom I'd increase the freq. The road layout is tight to warrant bigger single deckers though. The section between New Southgate and Arnos Grove, also the islands on Squires Lane has some very tight bits where parked cars used to be up to the islands. i do not know if this has changed. Have not been through that part in around 10 years now. |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 13, 2021 22:57:17 GMT
Lol, Boris didn't see anything so please don't wash over his mistake and it's pretty clear to see that the decision he took with the government has massively backfired. Khan has made big errors of which I pointed out his two biggest ones in the fares freeze and hopper fare which despite giving me benefits, also presents revenue gaps that hinder investment. So whilst you haven't said it, if you going to label me as anti Boris or pro Khan, please don't because I've previously voted for Boris and have never voted for Khan just like referring to us who want less congestion and who never suggested removing cars entirely as 'anti-car' - there seems to be a trend of sticking certain labels out there so thought I'd get over with ASAP I am surprised you did not vote Khan last election. Why? I couldn't honestly vote for someone whose main pledge effectively reduces revenue for the bus network at a time when there is no subsidy. |
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Post by barrypotter on Apr 14, 2021 6:00:03 GMT
But the 382 can be rammed most of the day between Finchley & Southgate and could do with longer single deckers so it shows people are willing to wait longer and to attract more custom I'd increase the freq. The road layout is tight to warrant bigger single deckers though. The section between New Southgate and Arnos Grove, also the islands on Squires Lane has some very tight bits where parked cars used to be up to the islands. i do not know if this has changed. Have not been through that part in around 10 years now. Your memory is good. Those two sections can still be a right pain. On Squires Lane, there is one island which has an adjacent parking cage, which if fully occupied, would make it impossible to get anything bigger than a car through. Fortunately nobody parks right to the edge. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 14, 2021 19:25:01 GMT
I do really hate to say this I really do but what if TFL are looking at reducing the 25 to 6bph. Its at 8bph already could it be at any risk?
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Post by lundnah on Apr 14, 2021 19:30:50 GMT
I do really hate to say this I really do but what if TFL are looking at reducing the 25 to 6bph. Its at 8bph already could it be at any risk? No. It's still quite busy enough thanks.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 14, 2021 19:38:33 GMT
I do really hate to say this I really do but what if TFL are looking at reducing the 25 to 6bph. Its at 8bph already could it be at any risk? No. It's still quite busy enough thanks.
I know and I would be absolutely against it though I was only asking if it could be a possibility they would look at it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 19:40:21 GMT
I do really hate to say this I really do but what if TFL are looking at reducing the 25 to 6bph. Its at 8bph already could it be at any risk? Very unlikely! As others have said its still very busy on the eastern end.
More central routes are at risk like the 17 and 43!
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 14, 2021 19:42:31 GMT
I do really hate to say this I really do but what if TFL are looking at reducing the 25 to 6bph. Its at 8bph already could it be at any risk? Very unlikely! As others have said its still very busy on the eastern end.
More central routes are at risk like the 17 and 43!
23 and 414 are likely to also be dropped to every 10 mins. 242 and 476 aswell. |
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Post by TB123 on Apr 14, 2021 19:43:33 GMT
Very unlikely! As others have said its still very busy on the eastern end.
More central routes are at risk like the 17 and 43!
23 and 414 are likely to also be dropped to every 10 mins. 242 and 476 aswell. 476 is already every 10 |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 14, 2021 19:45:44 GMT
I do really hate to say this I really do but what if TFL are looking at reducing the 25 to 6bph. Its at 8bph already could it be at any risk? Very unlikely! As others have said its still very busy on the eastern end.
More central routes are at risk like the 17 and 43!
The 43 I believe has already been listed for a reduction though I'd have wanted the 134 over the 43. But definitely the 25 should not be messed with.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 14, 2021 19:49:33 GMT
Very unlikely! As others have said its still very busy on the eastern end.
More central routes are at risk like the 17 and 43!
23 and 414 are likely to also be dropped to every 10 mins. 242 and 476 aswell. Worst time to reduce the 23! Its already received electric buses, that would make it very awkward in terms of allocating them elsewhere. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 14, 2021 19:50:54 GMT
23 and 414 are likely to also be dropped to every 10 mins. 242 and 476 aswell. Worst time to reduce the 23! Its already received electric buses, that would make it very awkward in terms of allocating them elsewhere. So has the 43 but that was mentioned as in line for a reduction and maybe even a curtailment. |
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