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Post by ronnie on May 7, 2021 13:13:35 GMT
As someone in Labour said, the party needs to step away from issues which they feel are important into issues which the public thinks is important. It seems like a party of the middle class rather than the working class frankly Found the following statement to be hitting the nail in the head “ If you are one of the massive slice of the public who is older, or a car driver, or a home owner, or voted for Brexit, you would think the Tories care about you and Labour doesn't” Ronnie, have you got a source for that, something I would like to use at the next LTN meeting with councillors. The first comment that is. I am guessing you are talking about the comment within inverted commas. I saw it on the BBC live feed somewhere (it was reported at 11:09 quoting Luke Akehurst from Twitter) www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-57016689 |
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Post by vjaska on May 7, 2021 13:49:36 GMT
As you say the youth support Labour as they know no better. When they grow older they get wiser and their views change. Reason being it is seen as cool to support Labour, they are endorsed by popstars etc. Labour's biggest problem it they are NOT the party of the working class they once was. Corbyn was on the right track, problem was he went way too far left. lol @ most people past A levels support Labour; get real buddy. As I have said, many students are brainwashed in uni and college etc into supporting Labour, the same lie that is told to make you think that you would get a high paying job after leaving uni etc. Sometimes it just is not worth it anymore, especially with fees etc. I regret not going uni a year earlier or I would have had it for free, I ended up being the first to pay (thanks to Blair) yes I supported him, when a few others in college then did not want to purely because of the fees; who would have known years later it would end up being like other countries around the world. Trouble is yourself cannot see it but the Labour party these days are hypocrites, many of the people running it are well off or business people like the Conservatives. Just they try to sell an image of, I am from the council estate etc I am just like you in reality they are not. Trouble is that as you say people in poverty do not vote for Conservatives, but they are now (bar London). so ask yourself why is that. People have woken up to the fact that they are no longer important and sold a lie. Year after year we have seen many things that Labour implement hit the poorer person harder than anything.Even in London Piers Corbyn is against the ULEZ extension. The Conservatives have shifted left compared to years ago. The way politics are heading in the UK it is more on the level of the US. What I also find worrying is parties like the Lib Dems are being squeezed further out, which I feel is a sad shame. Problem is they have no direction anymore. Problem is people like yourself see Boris as useless and portrayed by the press as a buffoon. Trouble is the general public would rather a politician who makes mistakes etc and is more normal, than a robotic heartless person like Thresea May. This has happened in many countries even in France with Sarkozy, who was no angel which improved his popularity. You speak the truth with regard to uni brainwashing. I too was among the first year to pay tuition fees under the Blair years and I’m currently a mature student. In my current stint, I notice the lefty bias of a few lecturers spills over into classrooms. I would rather political opinions (of any sort) didn’t seep into lecturers teaching dialogue with student. One problem Labour have is that since the Blair years, they have never been seen to reward those who work hard and those with ambition. People of all demographics have aspirations to get on in life and it is interesting that the Conservatives appear to hold that ground. Another issue is that they appear to be a little unpatriotic at times. I don’t see anything wrong in championing our nation and standing up for UK interests. Starmer still has to convince me that he would take a different line to his two predecessors when our national interests are under threat. Take the current escalation in Jersey. Would Starmer have moved so quickly and decisively to stand up for our interests? I’m not so sure. Bojo is a huge problem for Labour, because for all his faults he has got his economic response to COVID right, getting support to those that need it, along with a world leading vaccine strategy. Huge plus marks and not easy considering he botched the initial response during the first wave. Bojo also is clear in his actions in terms of standing up for our interests and not caving in to the childish tit-for-tat we get from the EU since we left. I say that as a Remainer. The EU no longer act in our interests, and its time we all woke up to that. Back to topic, I’m looking forward to purdah ending so we can see what is going on with Crossrail, bus changes, and also the budget Andy Byford manages to induce from the government. I sincerely hope Khan can work more constructively with the government, but I think he has burnt his bridges. Labour was always going to struggle regardless of who replaced terrorist Corbyn. Under his stewardship, he alienated the electorate leaving them rock bottom and then just as Starmer got in, we have a pandemic and being the opposition in a pandemic is probably the most difficult job going outside of nursing and doctors because your effectively hoping that the government screws up the entire response which nearly happened but for the vaccine roll out actually being successful. Had that failed, then I think Starmer would be celebrating gains & not losses. Starmer now has to hope that this Tory government implodes in itself which ironically could likely happen over the next year or more. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 7, 2021 21:49:38 GMT
As you say the youth support Labour as they know no better. When they grow older they get wiser and their views change. Reason being it is seen as cool to support Labour, they are endorsed by popstars etc. Labour's biggest problem it they are NOT the party of the working class they once was. Corbyn was on the right track, problem was he went way too far left. lol @ most people past A levels support Labour; get real buddy. As I have said, many students are brainwashed in uni and college etc into supporting Labour, the same lie that is told to make you think that you would get a high paying job after leaving uni etc. Sometimes it just is not worth it anymore, especially with fees etc. I regret not going uni a year earlier or I would have had it for free, I ended up being the first to pay (thanks to Blair) yes I supported him, when a few others in college then did not want to purely because of the fees; who would have known years later it would end up being like other countries around the world. Trouble is yourself cannot see it but the Labour party these days are hypocrites, many of the people running it are well off or business people like the Conservatives. Just they try to sell an image of, I am from the council estate etc I am just like you in reality they are not. Trouble is that as you say people in poverty do not vote for Conservatives, but they are now (bar London). so ask yourself why is that. People have woken up to the fact that they are no longer important and sold a lie. Year after year we have seen many things that Labour implement hit the poorer person harder than anything.Even in London Piers Corbyn is against the ULEZ extension. The Conservatives have shifted left compared to years ago. The way politics are heading in the UK it is more on the level of the US. What I also find worrying is parties like the Lib Dems are being squeezed further out, which I feel is a sad shame. Problem is they have no direction anymore. Problem is people like yourself see Boris as useless and portrayed by the press as a buffoon. Trouble is the general public would rather a politician who makes mistakes etc and is more normal, than a robotic heartless person like Thresea May. This has happened in many countries even in France with Sarkozy, who was no angel which improved his popularity. You speak the truth with regard to uni brainwashing. I too was among the first year to pay tuition fees under the Blair years and I’m currently a mature student. In my current stint, I notice the lefty bias of a few lecturers spills over into classrooms. I would rather political opinions (of any sort) didn’t seep into lecturers teaching dialogue with student. One problem Labour have is that since the Blair years, they have never been seen to reward those who work hard and those with ambition. People of all demographics have aspirations to get on in life and it is interesting that the Conservatives appear to hold that ground. Another issue is that they appear to be a little unpatriotic at times. I don’t see anything wrong in championing our nation and standing up for UK interests. Starmer still has to convince me that he would take a different line to his two predecessors when our national interests are under threat. Take the current escalation in Jersey. Would Starmer have moved so quickly and decisively to stand up for our interests? I’m not so sure. Bojo is a huge problem for Labour, because for all his faults he has got his economic response to COVID right, getting support to those that need it, along with a world leading vaccine strategy. Huge plus marks and not easy considering he botched the initial response during the first wave. Bojo also is clear in his actions in terms of standing up for our interests and not caving in to the childish tit-for-tat we get from the EU since we left. I say that as a Remainer. The EU no longer act in our interests, and its time we all woke up to that. Back to topic, I’m looking forward to purdah ending so we can see what is going on with Crossrail, bus changes, and also the budget Andy Byford manages to induce from the government. I sincerely hope Khan can work more constructively with the government, but I think he has burnt his bridges. One of my friends from uni lambasted me for voting for them and in effect, I really did not have a ground to stand on any of his debates when I was moaning about fees. I had enough of the Conservatives then and thought it was time for a change. I never like seeing a party in power too long or if it is a certain individual. One reason I like the US system of 2 terms max. As you have rightly said people who work their butt off, does not get rewarded for it and gets taxed, when the real high earners get away with it, even if they say they would get them, it never seems to happen in reality. To me the Labour policy seems to be stay on the breadline or be filthy rich, one extreme or the other, no in-between. I think Starmer is a decent guy, just I do not think he is speaking up enough, he is kind of like Ian Duncan Smith. Never hard hitting enough. As for Crossrail, well we are getting a new timetable next week on the TfL rail, which no longer has the express fast train workings. 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Post by dashing0ne on May 8, 2021 5:42:41 GMT
You speak the truth with regard to uni brainwashing. I too was among the first year to pay tuition fees under the Blair years and I’m currently a mature student. In my current stint, I notice the lefty bias of a few lecturers spills over into classrooms. I would rather political opinions (of any sort) didn’t seep into lecturers teaching dialogue with student. One problem Labour have is that since the Blair years, they have never been seen to reward those who work hard and those with ambition. People of all demographics have aspirations to get on in life and it is interesting that the Conservatives appear to hold that ground. Another issue is that they appear to be a little unpatriotic at times. I don’t see anything wrong in championing our nation and standing up for UK interests. Starmer still has to convince me that he would take a different line to his two predecessors when our national interests are under threat. Take the current escalation in Jersey. Would Starmer have moved so quickly and decisively to stand up for our interests? I’m not so sure. Bojo is a huge problem for Labour, because for all his faults he has got his economic response to COVID right, getting support to those that need it, along with a world leading vaccine strategy. Huge plus marks and not easy considering he botched the initial response during the first wave. Bojo also is clear in his actions in terms of standing up for our interests and not caving in to the childish tit-for-tat we get from the EU since we left. I say that as a Remainer. The EU no longer act in our interests, and its time we all woke up to that. Back to topic, I’m looking forward to purdah ending so we can see what is going on with Crossrail, bus changes, and also the budget Andy Byford manages to induce from the government. I sincerely hope Khan can work more constructively with the government, but I think he has burnt his bridges. One of my friends from uni lambasted me for voting for them and in effect, I really did not have a ground to stand on any of his debates when I was moaning about fees. I had enough of the Conservatives then and thought it was time for a change. I never like seeing a party in power too long or if it is a certain individual. One reason I like the US system of 2 terms max. As you have rightly said people who work their butt off, does not get rewarded for it and gets taxed, when the real high earners get away with it, even if they say they would get them, it never seems to happen in reality. To me the Labour policy seems to be stay on the breadline or be filthy rich, one extreme or the other, no in-between. I think Starmer is a decent guy, just I do not think he is speaking up enough, he is kind of like Ian Duncan Smith. Never hard hitting enough. As for Crossrail, well we are getting a new timetable next week on the TfL rail, which no longer has the express fast train workings. So it would be near the actual crossrail itself. In the US, there is a 2 term limit for an individual not a party, so in theory it could've always been consecutive one after the other Democrat Presidents.
For example: Bill Clinton, Al Gore (Democrat who lost to red Bush), Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton (Democrat who lost to red Trump), Joe Biden and then more and more Democrat Presidents.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on May 8, 2021 5:54:54 GMT
How many people here are secretly less interested in the election results but more interested in the end of purdah after tomorrow meaning the possibility of announcements of Central London route changes? 😂 Given that I have a London trip planned 2 weeks today, to Stratford, I am pleased there are no recent tender results. These will not distract me from the local election results coverage but, presuming some are declared within the next fortnight, provide a happy supplement to my daytrip on the 22nd.  (After today or tomorrow I shall not be looking at any bus websites until then.) |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on May 8, 2021 6:04:58 GMT
I'd say some of Khan's support come from there being little opposition. Had Boris still been standing in 2016 and now the votes may look quite different. Given that the West Midlands and especially Tees Valley have been willing to elect affable Conservative Mayors, London may have been willing to had they had a good candidate. Maybe Rory Stewart could have won had he not been thrown out of the party. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on May 8, 2021 6:07:17 GMT
I don't trust the pollsters at all, even though they are saying Labour would do bad around the country, I very much doubt it. Gut, unbiased feeling : Labour will do well, and may increase their vote share in London. Conservatives may fall back in the rest of the South East, and won’t really penetrate the SNP wall in Scotland, but elsewhere their vote share will be increased to the extent that only the Tories will be able to say they were successful overall. It will I think be a terrible result for all the non-Conservative parties apart from the SNP. Valid prediction. It is now worth noting that the only party other than the Conservatives to gain seats so far are the Greens with 40 additional Councillors. One of these represents the adjacent ward to mine.  |
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 8, 2021 23:38:16 GMT
One of my friends from uni lambasted me for voting for them and in effect, I really did not have a ground to stand on any of his debates when I was moaning about fees. I had enough of the Conservatives then and thought it was time for a change. I never like seeing a party in power too long or if it is a certain individual. One reason I like the US system of 2 terms max. As you have rightly said people who work their butt off, does not get rewarded for it and gets taxed, when the real high earners get away with it, even if they say they would get them, it never seems to happen in reality. To me the Labour policy seems to be stay on the breadline or be filthy rich, one extreme or the other, no in-between. I think Starmer is a decent guy, just I do not think he is speaking up enough, he is kind of like Ian Duncan Smith. Never hard hitting enough. As for Crossrail, well we are getting a new timetable next week on the TfL rail, which no longer has the express fast train workings. So it would be near the actual crossrail itself. In the US, there is a 2 term limit for an individual not a party, so in theory it could've always been consecutive one after the other Democrat Presidents.
For example: Bill Clinton, Al Gore (Democrate who lost to red Bush), Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and then more and more Democrat Presidents.
I am fully aware of two term per individual, I did not write by party. |
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Post by CircleLineofLife on May 20, 2021 10:44:14 GMT
As you say the youth support Labour as they know no better. When they grow older they get wiser and their views change. Reason being it is seen as cool to support Labour, they are endorsed by popstars etc. Labour's biggest problem it they are NOT the party of the working class they once was. Corbyn was on the right track, problem was he went way too far left. lol @ most people past A levels support Labour; get real buddy. As I have said, many students are brainwashed in uni and college etc into supporting Labour, the same lie that is told to make you think that you would get a high paying job after leaving uni etc. Sometimes it just is not worth it anymore, especially with fees etc. I regret not going uni a year earlier or I would have had it for free, I ended up being the first to pay (thanks to Blair) yes I supported him, when a few others in college then did not want to purely because of the fees; who would have known years later it would end up being like other countries around the world. Trouble is yourself cannot see it but the Labour party these days are hypocrites, many of the people running it are well off or business people like the Conservatives. Just they try to sell an image of, I am from the council estate etc I am just like you in reality they are not. Trouble is that as you say people in poverty do not vote for Conservatives, but they are now (bar London). so ask yourself why is that. People have woken up to the fact that they are no longer important and sold a lie. Year after year we have seen many things that Labour implement hit the poorer person harder than anything.Even in London Piers Corbyn is against the ULEZ extension. The Conservatives have shifted left compared to years ago. The way politics are heading in the UK it is more on the level of the US. What I also find worrying is parties like the Lib Dems are being squeezed further out, which I feel is a sad shame. Problem is they have no direction anymore. Problem is people like yourself see Boris as useless and portrayed by the press as a buffoon. Trouble is the general public would rather a politician who makes mistakes etc and is more normal, than a robotic heartless person like Thresea May. This has happened in many countries even in France with Sarkozy, who was no angel which improved his popularity. You speak the truth with regard to uni brainwashing. I too was among the first year to pay tuition fees under the Blair years and I’m currently a mature student. In my current stint, I notice the lefty bias of a few lecturers spills over into classrooms. I would rather political opinions (of any sort) didn’t seep into lecturers teaching dialogue with student. One problem Labour have is that since the Blair years, they have never been seen to reward those who work hard and those with ambition. People of all demographics have aspirations to get on in life and it is interesting that the Conservatives appear to hold that ground. Another issue is that they appear to be a little unpatriotic at times. I don’t see anything wrong in championing our nation and standing up for UK interests. Starmer still has to convince me that he would take a different line to his two predecessors when our national interests are under threat. Take the current escalation in Jersey. Would Starmer have moved so quickly and decisively to stand up for our interests? I’m not so sure. Bojo is a huge problem for Labour, because for all his faults he has got his economic response to COVID right, getting support to those that need it, along with a world leading vaccine strategy. Huge plus marks and not easy considering he botched the initial response during the first wave. Bojo also is clear in his actions in terms of standing up for our interests and not caving in to the childish tit-for-tat we get from the EU since we left. I say that as a Remainer. The EU no longer act in our interests, and its time we all woke up to that. Back to topic, I’m looking forward to purdah ending so we can see what is going on with Crossrail, bus changes, and also the budget Andy Byford manages to induce from the government. I sincerely hope Khan can work more constructively with the government, but I think he has burnt his bridges. I completely agree with you on the lefty bias of lecturers, i experienced this earlier this year when i was doing a module on housing policy. Another thing alot of people at uni dont want to associate themselves with tories, not saying i am a tory myself but, they are the are some of most authentic people at uni. Alot of people are labour until they start having to pay tax, and i keep on saying this to people, but they are entrenched in their views, and it does start from further down the education system. Labour wanted to reduce the voting age at 16. I was 16 a few years ago and i didnt know anything about politics, apart from being a tory is bad. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Jun 6, 2021 12:04:51 GMT
Some news from LOTS, suggesting ‘Red Arrow’ fleet to be halved later this year with buses reallocated to other routes. So expecting frequency reductions on routes 507 and 521 as commuter peak time demand is either not expected to return or could be handled by spare capacity on other routes. www.lots.org.uk/ |
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Post by vjaska on Jun 6, 2021 12:10:45 GMT
Some news from LOTS, suggesting ‘Red Arrow’ fleet to be halved later this year with buses reallocated to other routes. So expecting frequency reductions on routes 507 and 521 to be made permanent as commuter peak time demand is not expected to return or could be handled by other routes. www.lots.org.uk/Yeah, there’s been a big discussion about it all in the Go-Ahead thread if your interested. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 14, 2021 22:50:08 GMT
They can't just keep chopping away at Central London like its a ghost town never returning. They can look at frequencies on outer routes especially evenings and weekends. Draw all you like. The issue I see with that though is that Khan pledged to bring improvements to outer London bus services funded by drops in usage of inner London services, so I can’t see that going down too well if he goes back on it. Central London may not be a ghost town but it’s just buses in Central London now take 3 years to move 20 feet so people have been looking for other alternative methods to get around quicker, and that probably won’t change until bus journeys speed up. Decided to take this from the upcoming changes thread: Your are absolutely correct that Khan pledged that and by that notion, that's exactly what he should be doing given it's a policy of his. However, he has actually gone back on that as some Outer London have received cuts themselves, some as potentially damaging as the Central & Inner London routes such as the 384, a few routes in Croydon (though this was levelled slightly with some frequency increases), the recent A10 cut not to mention some proposed buy thankfully scrapped cuts like the 428, 465 & 492 Bus journeys are too slow in Central London and some parts of Inner London but the issue I have here is TfL seems to want to take the easy way out through whoever's leadership by simply cutting stuff, creating further decline in the process rather than actually attempting to correct the problems at hand. |
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Post by TB123 on Mar 22, 2022 13:16:16 GMT
Have heard from a number of sources, and indeed today MyLondon published it, that a flurry of bus service consultations are expected towards the "late spring" - these are expected to include a fairly large scale inner-London consultation exercise, Brent Cross/Cricklewood as well as one focused on Tottenham/Meridian Water... Potentially more than that with scope for some possible outer London exercises.
Interesting times ahead and expect we will see some bold changes proposed, especially in inner London.
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Post by cl54 on Mar 22, 2022 13:40:19 GMT
Have heard from a number of sources, and indeed today MyLondon published it, that a flurry of bus service consultations are expected towards the "late spring" - these are expected to include a fairly large scale inner-London consultation exercise, Brent Cross/Cricklewood as well as one focused on Tottenham/Meridian Water... Potentially more than that with scope for some possible outer London exercises. Interesting times ahead and expect we will see some bold changes proposed, especially in inner London. There is supposed to be a committee including DfT representation reviewing every single route. The development studies do not necessarily mean cuts. The one for the Surrey Quays area outlined new routes to infill some gaps in the existing network as well as the diversions to be implemented next year. |
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Post by TB123 on Mar 22, 2022 13:46:08 GMT
Have heard from a number of sources, and indeed today MyLondon published it, that a flurry of bus service consultations are expected towards the "late spring" - these are expected to include a fairly large scale inner-London consultation exercise, Brent Cross/Cricklewood as well as one focused on Tottenham/Meridian Water... Potentially more than that with scope for some possible outer London exercises. Interesting times ahead and expect we will see some bold changes proposed, especially in inner London. There is supposed to be a committee including DfT representation reviewing every single route. The development studies do not necessarily mean cuts. The one for the Surrey Quays area outlined new routes to infill some gaps in the existing network as well as the diversions to be implemented next year. The development study for the Surrey Quays area was done 5 years ago, unless you know of another done more recently and since then much has changed in the context of TfL finances as well as housing developments being slower than expected to come on-stream. So I expect the resulting bus service changes to be different |
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