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Post by TB123 on Apr 7, 2021 12:22:56 GMT
Thought this would be an interesting thread to make - what are your predictions for what the London bus network will be like in 2025? Be that vehicles wise, network wise etc.
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Post by DT 11 on Apr 7, 2021 12:28:32 GMT
My prediction is all the buses in London will still be Red
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Post by TB123 on Apr 7, 2021 12:31:02 GMT
A few predictions of mine
Continuing presence of electric buses, but with deliveries focused on garages already kitted out - funding struggles making garage equipping unviable
New iBus screens like the Abellio Caetanos introduced. Another route branding trial somewhere
No new operators enter - one will depart through a sale or merger with an existing operator.
The bus network in inner London is completely redrawn with a more simplified web of shorter services - increasingly working as railhead feeders in order to bump up Tube revenues. Most existing trunk routes in central area split - hopper fare etc
Outer London bus network tweaked further, new bus routes in places with new homes, reduction elsewhere on overbussed sections. Maybe another express route or two introduced. A few more "orbital" routes introduced with small extensions or mergers - eg 110, 125, 384
More cycle lanes and traffic calming measures rolled out. Hammersmith Bridge will still be closed.
The 13 is still operated by Tower Transit with Evosetis with buses continuing to operated in pairs or trios.
I'll think of more
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Post by danorak on Apr 7, 2021 12:41:59 GMT
I can sum it up in one word but I don't think it would be allowed here.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2021 12:42:32 GMT
We still won't have LED blinds as standard.
Tower Transit will still be operating in London!
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Post by vjaska on Apr 7, 2021 13:43:47 GMT
The Inner London bus network will be a shadow of a it's former self and will spike a demand for cars leading to a spike in pollution levels in Inner London
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2021 16:57:55 GMT
I predict new electric garages in Cricklewood, Heathrow, Plumstead and Harold Hill.These will be used by more than one operator. Owned by TfL.
Some existing garages closed( RP, AF, PD, WS) and four totally rebuilt ( EW, AV, JE, AE).
On demand services come back to Ealing, Sutton and start in Bexley, Romford, Barnet and Uxbridge.
LTs removed from streets or relegated to outer London routes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2021 17:02:06 GMT
I predict new electric garages in Cricklewood, Heathrow, Plumstead and Harold Hill.These will be used by more than one operator. Owned by TfL. Some existing garages closed( RP, AF, PD, WS) and four totally rebuilt ( EW, AV, JE, AE). On demand services come back to Ealing, Sutton and start in Bexley, Romford, Barnet and Uxbridge. LTs removed from streets or relegated to outer London routes. JE is a grade 2 listed building, it would be hard to knockdown and rebuild. Not impossible but would likely face stiff opposition from heritage people.
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 7, 2021 17:25:18 GMT
355 will still be struggling with SDs
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Post by wirewiper on Apr 7, 2021 17:45:56 GMT
A few predictions of mine Continuing presence of electric buses, but with deliveries focused on garages already kitted out - funding struggles making garage equipping unviable New iBus screens like the Abellio Caetanos introduced. Another route branding trial somewhere No new operators enter - one will depart through a sale or merger with an existing operator. The bus network in inner London is completely redrawn with a more simplified web of shorter services - increasingly working as railhead feeders in order to bump up Tube revenues. Most existing trunk routes in central area split - hopper fare etc Outer London bus network tweaked further, new bus routes in places with new homes, reduction elsewhere on overbussed sections. Maybe another express route or two introduced. A few more "orbital" routes introduced with small extensions or mergers - eg 110, 125, 384 More cycle lanes and traffic calming measures rolled out. Hammersmith Bridge will still be closed. The 13 is still operated by Tower Transit with Evosetis with buses continuing to operated in pairs or trios. I'll think of more I think that a lot of these are feasible. TfL seems to prefer to electrify on a garage-by-garage basis rather than incrementally by route, and increasingly the tendering process will reflect that. I also think that the bus network in Inner and Central London will be simplified, with few routes but running at very high frequencies. It will become far more usual for passengers, rather than waiting several minutes until their route finally trundles into view, simply to take a bus to an interchange point, walk to a nearby stop and take the next bus which will appear in a couple of minutes. Obviously care will be needed to make sure the interchange points are fit for purpose. I think in Outer London, there will be a few more express routes. There may also be a move to higher-specification vehicles (e.g. high-back seats, USB, free WiFi) to be used on selected routes which are known to have a good number of longer-distance travellers. This could tie in with route branding. More cycle lanes and Low Traffic Neighbourhoods - won't please some on here, but they will happen. Hopefully though London will finally get a grip on car use and ensure that bus priority is also, er, prioritised when it comes to allocating road space. You probably won't be that far out with your route 13 prediction! I get the impression that it is one of TfL's "problem children" and they have difficulty in attracting viable bids for the route.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Apr 7, 2021 21:54:33 GMT
We still won't have LED blinds as standard. Tower Transit will still be operating in London! the much rumoured "Last of the 2020 batch" of Metrodeckers for Tower Transit will finally be delivered
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 10, 2021 4:31:08 GMT
The Inner London bus network will be a shadow of a it's former self and will spike a demand for cars leading to a spike in pollution levels in Inner London When we lived in London we lived in the Barbican. It is therefore already a shock how limited links west from the City have already become, even ahead of potential further severances by 2025.
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 10, 2021 9:08:11 GMT
Sometimes I think a full re cast of the Central network so that we could have say an Aldgate to Paddington route and Liverpool Street to Marble Arch links again. Rather then the 8 only coming in as far as TCR, the 25 to City Thameslink, the 15 to TSQ etc rather then long routes from zones 2 and 3 into central London but no cross central links.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Apr 24, 2021 20:16:53 GMT
A few predictions of mine Continuing presence of electric buses, but with deliveries focused on garages already kitted out - funding struggles making garage equipping unviable New iBus screens like the Abellio Caetanos introduced. Another route branding trial somewhere No new operators enter - one will depart through a sale or merger with an existing operator. The bus network in inner London is completely redrawn with a more simplified web of shorter services - increasingly working as railhead feeders in order to bump up Tube revenues. Most existing trunk routes in central area split - hopper fare etc Outer London bus network tweaked further, new bus routes in places with new homes, reduction elsewhere on overbussed sections. Maybe another express route or two introduced. A few more "orbital" routes introduced with small extensions or mergers - eg 110, 125, 384 More cycle lanes and traffic calming measures rolled out. Hammersmith Bridge will still be closed. The 13 is still operated by Tower Transit with Evosetis with buses continuing to operated in pairs or trios. I'll think of more Which operator do you think will go?
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Post by VMH2537 on Apr 24, 2021 20:31:57 GMT
A few predictions of mine Continuing presence of electric buses, but with deliveries focused on garages already kitted out - funding struggles making garage equipping unviable New iBus screens like the Abellio Caetanos introduced. Another route branding trial somewhere No new operators enter - one will depart through a sale or merger with an existing operator. The bus network in inner London is completely redrawn with a more simplified web of shorter services - increasingly working as railhead feeders in order to bump up Tube revenues. Most existing trunk routes in central area split - hopper fare etc Outer London bus network tweaked further, new bus routes in places with new homes, reduction elsewhere on overbussed sections. Maybe another express route or two introduced. A few more "orbital" routes introduced with small extensions or mergers - eg 110, 125, 384 More cycle lanes and traffic calming measures rolled out. Hammersmith Bridge will still be closed. The 13 is still operated by Tower Transit with Evosetis with buses continuing to operated in pairs or trios. I'll think of more Can you expand on how the 125 will be a orbital route? Could it possibly extend to Edmonton?
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