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Post by N230UD on Apr 9, 2021 21:36:07 GMT
For a few years now, the once prominent route 505 from Harlow to Chingford has been operating on Saturdays only by Trustybus, under contract to Essex County Council. However, it seems it's days in London are finally over, with the bustimes.org website showing it operating between Harlow and Waltham Abbey only, and it is the same on the Trustybus/Central Connect website. The times have remained the same, meaning a long layover in Waltham Abbey. Therefore, the village of Sewardstone no longer has a bus service at all (not that residents really used it), and it no longer enters London to reach Chingford. This seems to have been done quietly with no notice. How long has this been the case? (New Trustybus timetable states from 10th April). Anyone know the reason why? I presume it may be to do with London emissions, however that would also mean Trustybus would no longer be able to do rail replacement within London which they do occasionally. Although as it is a Saturday route, they may not have enough suitable vehicles available. It's certainly different from 10-15 years ago when I was on a 505 on Arriva's ex-Wests Wright Handybus with every seat taken (although I know most journeys were quiet even then). See the links here: 505 times on Bustimes
505 timetable on Trustybus website |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 10, 2021 0:28:44 GMT
For a few years now, the once prominent route 505 from Harlow to Chingford has been operating on Saturdays only by Trustybus, under contract to Essex County Council. However, it seems it's days in London are finally over, with the bustimes.org website showing it operating between Harlow and Waltham Abbey only, and it is the same on the Trustybus/Central Connect website. The times have remained the same, meaning a long layover in Waltham Abbey. Therefore, the village of Sewardstone no longer has a bus service at all (not that residents really used it), and it no longer enters London to reach Chingford. This seems to have been done quietly with no notice. How long has this been the case? (New Trustybus timetable states from 11th April). Anyone know the reason why? I presume it may be to do with London emissions, however that would also mean Trustybus would no longer be able to do rail replacement within London which they do occasionally. Although as it is a Saturday route, they may not have enough suitable vehicles available. It's certainly different from 10-15 years ago when I was on a 505 on Arriva's ex-Wests Wright Handybus with every seat taken (although I know most journeys were quiet even then). See the links here: 505 times on Bustimes
505 timetable on Trustybus websiteIt shouldn't be emissions as I believe the 505 doesn't enter the LEZ at all as the border seems to be by the lights where buses turn to go towards Chingford Hatch, Woodford Wells or Chingford Mount |
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Post by redexpress on Apr 10, 2021 7:38:54 GMT
For a few years now, the once prominent route 505 from Harlow to Chingford has been operating on Saturdays only by Trustybus, under contract to Essex County Council. However, it seems it's days in London are finally over, with the bustimes.org website showing it operating between Harlow and Waltham Abbey only, and it is the same on the Trustybus/Central Connect website. The times have remained the same, meaning a long layover in Waltham Abbey. Therefore, the village of Sewardstone no longer has a bus service at all (not that residents really used it), and it no longer enters London to reach Chingford. This seems to have been done quietly with no notice. How long has this been the case? (New Trustybus timetable states from 11th April). Anyone know the reason why? I presume it may be to do with London emissions, however that would also mean Trustybus would no longer be able to do rail replacement within London which they do occasionally. Although as it is a Saturday route, they may not have enough suitable vehicles available. It's certainly different from 10-15 years ago when I was on a 505 on Arriva's ex-Wests Wright Handybus with every seat taken (although I know most journeys were quiet even then). See the links here: 505 times on Bustimes
505 timetable on Trustybus websiteIt shouldn't be emissions as I believe the 505 doesn't enter the LEZ at all as the border seems to be by the lights where buses turn to go towards Chingford Hatch, Woodford Wells or Chingford Mount The odd thing at Chingford is that the TfL LEZ map shows the bus turning circle as being within the zone, even though the rest of the route isn't. That said there aren't any road signs to indicate that the LEZ is in force at the entrance to the terminus so I doubt it could be enforced.
In any case the 505 does enter Greater London and therefore requires an LSP. I wonder if TfL require EuroVI for all LSPs regardless of whether they enter the LEZ?
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Post by N230UD on Apr 10, 2021 8:59:22 GMT
Following the tracking on bustimes.org , the Solo on the route has indeed been terminating at Waltham Abbey today, as in the new timetable at Beechfield Walk, just before a large roundabout where it can turn around.
The route last ran to Chingford on the 3rd April. I’m still unsure on why it’s suddenly ceased, and if it’s maybe a short term thing.
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 3, 2021 14:58:40 GMT
A crying shame from the days it went to Walthamstow. Chingford was too short a stopping point to bring up much patronage. It used to give a quicker ride over the 97, i remember using it back in the 90's
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Post by joefrombow on May 3, 2021 18:42:00 GMT
A crying shame from the days it went to Walthamstow. Chingford was too short a stopping point to bring up much patronage. It used to give a quicker ride over the 97, i remember using it back in the 90's Good old days could get to Basildon from Walthamstow back then also , now no options for cross border travel in to Essex have to use the trains . |
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 3, 2021 21:54:59 GMT
A crying shame from the days it went to Walthamstow. Chingford was too short a stopping point to bring up much patronage. It used to give a quicker ride over the 97, i remember using it back in the 90's Good old days could get to Basildon from Walthamstow back then also , now no options for cross border travel in to Essex have to use the trains . I remember those days, the good ole 251, Eastern National, later Thamesway. |
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Post by N230UD on Jul 4, 2021 14:42:38 GMT
Has anyone seen any updates about the 505? Is this withdrawal of the Waltham Abbey to Chingford section now permanent?
Usually there would be official announcements about such things, and a reasoning as to why it’s been withdrawn, but there hasn’t been anything from either Trustybus who operate it or Essex County Council who tender the contract..
Route 505 e-tiles and timetables were still seen in Chingford a few weeks ago.
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Post by wirewiper on Apr 10, 2023 16:47:03 GMT
Reviving an old thread:
The 505 is coming back. But before you get excited, it won't be running to Chingford.
Arrival is withdrawing its route 86 between Waltham Cross and Harlow after Saturday 15th April. From Monday 17th April Vectare will be operating to the same route and timetable, but will use the number 505.
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Post by lonmark on Apr 11, 2023 4:41:37 GMT
Reviving an old thread: The 505 is coming back. But before you get excited, it won't be running to Chingford. Arrival is withdrawing its route 86 between Waltham Cross and Harlow after Saturday 15th April. From Monday 17th April Vectare will be operating to the same route and timetable, but will use the number 505. New Timetable available now at bustimes.org 505 Timetable |
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