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Post by mkay315 on May 16, 2022 21:54:13 GMT
Progress? Nah this is beyond unacceptable. We virtually had it in our hands and this is what they can come up with. We got knocked our of cup competitions in January and played mostly one match per week and this is what they can come up with. This is not progress. It's failure. So what, sack another manager and just repeat the same nonsense as last time? The fact that spurs sacked their manager after their abysmal run and got someone else in who has managed to get them decent results against the top two this season speaks volumes. I said right at the beginning that this season should either be top 4 or no European football, if someone spent a hefty sum like that and all you can bring back is europa league they deserve to walk. This team had chances after chances after chances to put the result to bed and now look. They have themselves to blame for this. Some matches had some dubious ref decisions but my goodness they shot themselves in the foot big time for this. I don't care what anyone says this is not progress at all. What makes it worse is this team had no European football this season and they got knocked out of the competitions back in January. Arteta knows he had the biggest advantage going and he blew it. Him and the whole of Arsenal bar a few players have blood on their hands for this.
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Post by vjaska on May 17, 2022 0:22:06 GMT
So what, sack another manager and just repeat the same nonsense as last time? The fact that spurs sacked their manager after their abysmal run and got someone else in who has managed to get them decent results against the top two this season speaks volumes. I said right at the beginning that this season should either be top 4 or no European football, if someone spent a hefty sum like that and all you can bring back is europa league they deserve to walk. This team had chances after chances after chances to put the result to bed and now look. They have themselves to blame for this. Some matches had some dubious ref decisions but my goodness they shot themselves in the foot big time for this. I don't care what anyone says this is not progress at all. What makes it worse is this team had no European football this season and they got knocked out of the competitions back in January. Arteta knows he had the biggest advantage going and he blew it. Him and the whole of Arsenal bar a few players have blood on their hands for this. It's not as black and white as you describe it - no one including Arsenal fans thought we would even challenge for 4th, some even thought we were heading for a bottom half finish as I remember various pundits pitting Leicester & Everton above us. The team we had before the money was spent was mid table at best - if you think £250m nowadays gets you a solid top 4 team, think again. Yes, they had chances but guess what happens when you have a young team - they are prone to errors and a up & down team because they are learning on the job. The only club who can sack managers and still sustain success is Chelsea due to their unique structure - only look at Spurs when they sacked Pochettino rather than backed him - rarely does sacking managers left, right & centre ever get you anywhere. Whether you like it or, Arsenal was never a quick fix solution and you can mention Conte at Spurs but he'll be walking in the next couple of years because he doesn't stick around for long especially when he doesn't get his way - I don't want that for my club I mean, who should come in because I don't see any managers available who would continue with the philosophy we have going whilst doing even better. For me, Arteta has next season and if the progress stalls, then the writing will likely be on the wall
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Post by mkay315 on May 17, 2022 4:06:07 GMT
The fact that spurs sacked their manager after their abysmal run and got someone else in who has managed to get them decent results against the top two this season speaks volumes. I said right at the beginning that this season should either be top 4 or no European football, if someone spent a hefty sum like that and all you can bring back is europa league they deserve to walk. This team had chances after chances after chances to put the result to bed and now look. They have themselves to blame for this. Some matches had some dubious ref decisions but my goodness they shot themselves in the foot big time for this. I don't care what anyone says this is not progress at all. What makes it worse is this team had no European football this season and they got knocked out of the competitions back in January. Arteta knows he had the biggest advantage going and he blew it. Him and the whole of Arsenal bar a few players have blood on their hands for this. It's not as black and white as you describe it - no one including Arsenal fans thought we would even challenge for 4th, some even thought we were heading for a bottom half finish as I remember various pundits pitting Leicester & Everton above us. The team we had before the money was spent was mid table at best - if you think £250m nowadays gets you a solid top 4 team, think again. Yes, they had chances but guess what happens when you have a young team - they are prone to errors and a up & down team because they are learning on the job. The only club who can sack managers and still sustain success is Chelsea due to their unique structure - only look at Spurs when they sacked Pochettino rather than backed him - rarely does sacking managers left, right & centre ever get you anywhere. Whether you like it or, Arsenal was never a quick fix solution and you can mention Conte at Spurs but he'll be walking in the next couple of years because he doesn't stick around for long especially when he doesn't get his way - I don't want that for my club I mean, who should come in because I don't see any managers available who would continue with the philosophy we have going whilst doing even better. For me, Arteta has next season and if the progress stalls, then the writing will likely be on the wall You can speak for yourself when you say no one thought arsenal would make top four. Some had that belief. One thing I give chelsea credit for is if a team or manager is not performing well then they do a mass clearcut to start again. We'll see how things go next season because I have this feeling Arteta will be gone by next season as this could repeat itself again. Of course this isn't a quick fix but the fact that Arsenal had no European football this season massively swung in their favour. I said what I said regarding this and it is a failure. Look at what Liverpool did when they lost to Sevilla back in 2016 they regrouped and managed to make the spot at the end of the season and now they're thriving. Why can't Arsenal do that. How many years are we going to keep singing the same song about rebuilding process. Forget that we had the golden chance to do it this season and we blew it. Its only going to get more difficult from here onwards.
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Post by ServerKing on May 17, 2022 4:51:07 GMT
Arsenal being held back by Newcastle like ENRs from the 318 Not a shock, once you guys beat us, I knew it was over and I knew we would lose this game too. Looks like the media was waiting for us to fail as I've heard so much nonsense about us since that defeat to you guys - ah well, another few seasons in mid table for us Like the 102's Streetdecks, something relatively new can still have reliability issues I think Arteta did as well as he could, but this was a crazy season like no other, ravaged by Covid again... everything is out of alignment. West Ham aren't in their spiritual home of 12th and for most of the season were near the top. Manchester United have imploded and if Abramovich gets his way, Chelsea could even be out of the league if a sale is not agreed within 16 days, so who knows what next season will bring? An extra Champions League spot (no doubt created after the Super League threat) might make all the difference next year. Squad depth is important if playing in Europe, look at Liverpool's squad numbers that go into the 60's No one wants to rely on B Team players when the ravages of European football, plus playing the domestic schedule starts to bite... that's probably how West Ham unravelled in Frankfurt
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Post by vjaska on May 17, 2022 13:49:15 GMT
It's not as black and white as you describe it - no one including Arsenal fans thought we would even challenge for 4th, some even thought we were heading for a bottom half finish as I remember various pundits pitting Leicester & Everton above us. The team we had before the money was spent was mid table at best - if you think £250m nowadays gets you a solid top 4 team, think again. Yes, they had chances but guess what happens when you have a young team - they are prone to errors and a up & down team because they are learning on the job. The only club who can sack managers and still sustain success is Chelsea due to their unique structure - only look at Spurs when they sacked Pochettino rather than backed him - rarely does sacking managers left, right & centre ever get you anywhere. Whether you like it or, Arsenal was never a quick fix solution and you can mention Conte at Spurs but he'll be walking in the next couple of years because he doesn't stick around for long especially when he doesn't get his way - I don't want that for my club I mean, who should come in because I don't see any managers available who would continue with the philosophy we have going whilst doing even better. For me, Arteta has next season and if the progress stalls, then the writing will likely be on the wall You can speak for yourself when you say no one thought arsenal would make top four. Some had that belief. One thing I give chelsea credit for is if a team or manager is not performing well then they do a mass clearcut to start again. We'll see how things go next season because I have this feeling Arteta will be gone by next season as this could repeat itself again. Of course this isn't a quick fix but the fact that Arsenal had no European football this season massively swung in their favour. I said what I said regarding this and it is a failure. Look at what Liverpool did when they lost to Sevilla back in 2016 they regrouped and managed to make the spot at the end of the season and now they're thriving. Why can't Arsenal do that. How many years are we going to keep singing the same song about rebuilding process. Forget that we had the golden chance to do it this season and we blew it. Its only going to get more difficult from here onwards. I fear Arteta will be gone next season at some point - a manager should always get three full seasons IMO and next year will be the third full one so the pressure is on him big time. The club need to back him with a war chest in the summer or he'll definitely be doomed. Liverpool is the model to follow - got Klopp in, took them a few seasons to get going, including clearing out the deadwood (ring any bells) before becoming the powerhouses they are. Recruitment was massive for them (realistically, only the Ox & Keita haven't paid off for them under Klopp), something which by large we got right last summer ourselves for the first time but something we need to repeat again this summer. The reason why you keep hearing rebuilding is because we had to start from a low base, arguably worse than when Klopp took over at Liverpool and with a stingy board. Like I said before, it's not black & white. The one big positive is the youngsters will be a year older and now have the experience of the highs and lows which should drive them on - let's see what unfolds.
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Post by mkay315 on May 17, 2022 15:54:44 GMT
You can speak for yourself when you say no one thought arsenal would make top four. Some had that belief. One thing I give chelsea credit for is if a team or manager is not performing well then they do a mass clearcut to start again. We'll see how things go next season because I have this feeling Arteta will be gone by next season as this could repeat itself again. Of course this isn't a quick fix but the fact that Arsenal had no European football this season massively swung in their favour. I said what I said regarding this and it is a failure. Look at what Liverpool did when they lost to Sevilla back in 2016 they regrouped and managed to make the spot at the end of the season and now they're thriving. Why can't Arsenal do that. How many years are we going to keep singing the same song about rebuilding process. Forget that we had the golden chance to do it this season and we blew it. Its only going to get more difficult from here onwards. I fear Arteta will be gone next season at some point - a manager should always get three full seasons IMO and next year will be the third full one so the pressure is on him big time. The club need to back him with a war chest in the summer or he'll definitely be doomed. Liverpool is the model to follow - got Klopp in, took them a few seasons to get going, including clearing out the deadwood (ring any bells) before becoming the powerhouses they are. Recruitment was massive for them (realistically, only the Ox & Keita haven't paid off for them under Klopp), something which by large we got right last summer ourselves for the first time but something we need to repeat again this summer. The reason why you keep hearing rebuilding is because we had to start from a low base, arguably worse than when Klopp took over at Liverpool and with a stingy board. Like I said before, it's not black & white. The one big positive is the youngsters will be a year older and now have the experience of the highs and lows which should drive them on - let's see what unfolds. We'll definitely see but it's shocking to see this team capitulate at this point of the season. In terms of this season as a whole I feel on Sunday there's going to be a big plot twist. Who it will involve I don't know yet.
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Post by ServerKing on May 17, 2022 17:04:37 GMT
I fear Arteta will be gone next season at some point - a manager should always get three full seasons IMO and next year will be the third full one so the pressure is on him big time. The club need to back him with a war chest in the summer or he'll definitely be doomed. Liverpool is the model to follow - got Klopp in, took them a few seasons to get going, including clearing out the deadwood (ring any bells) before becoming the powerhouses they are. Recruitment was massive for them (realistically, only the Ox & Keita haven't paid off for them under Klopp), something which by large we got right last summer ourselves for the first time but something we need to repeat again this summer. The reason why you keep hearing rebuilding is because we had to start from a low base, arguably worse than when Klopp took over at Liverpool and with a stingy board. Like I said before, it's not black & white. The one big positive is the youngsters will be a year older and now have the experience of the highs and lows which should drive them on - let's see what unfolds. We'll definitely see but it's shocking to see this team capitulate at this point of the season. In terms of this season as a whole I feel on Sunday there's going to be a big plot twist. Who it will involve I don't know yet. Plot twist:- Chelsea goes out of business or get excluded from the Prem after Abramovich refuses to play ball with the government regarding sale, meaning everyone moves up a level. 4th place for Arsenal after all, West Ham up to 7th and get Europa Conference. Burnley breathe sigh of relief with Leeds and Everton, as just Watford and Norwich drop
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Post by mkay315 on May 19, 2022 20:44:36 GMT
So Everton is safe for another year. Wowsers
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Post by ServerKing on May 19, 2022 21:31:57 GMT
So Everton is safe for another year. Wowsers It was a great match, they did well. Depends on how Leeds and Burnley play on Sunday as the leagueis so tight at the foot of the table, so it's not quite over yet for the Toffees
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Post by mkay315 on May 19, 2022 21:39:31 GMT
So Everton is safe for another year. Wowsers It was a great match, they did well. Depends on how Leeds and Burnley play on Sunday as the leagueis so tight at the foot of the table, so it's not quite over yet for the Toffees Nah they're safe now because they got 39 points whereas Leeds and Burnley have 35 with Burnley having a better goal difference
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Post by vjaska on May 19, 2022 23:07:13 GMT
So Everton is safe for another year. Wowsers Shame, would of given me a laugh (as harsh as that is) if they went down having spent approximately £500m
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Post by mkay315 on May 20, 2022 6:42:32 GMT
This is going to sound very controversial for what I'm going to say but for Vieira to kick that fan from Everton. I don't blame him for doing that. I'm sorry but you don't get up in a person's face no matter how professional one can be there's always that moment where someone could snap. Fans seem to think that they're untouchable and that needs to stop.
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Post by greenboy on May 20, 2022 6:52:33 GMT
This is going to sound very controversial for what I'm going to say but for Vieira to kick that fan from Everton. I don't blame him for doing that. I'm sorry but you don't get up in a person's face no matter how professional one can be there's always that moment where someone could snap. Fans seem to think that they're untouchable and that needs to stop. Need to keep fans off the pitch, there have been a few similar incidents recently.
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Post by mkay315 on May 20, 2022 7:03:05 GMT
This is going to sound very controversial for what I'm going to say but for Vieira to kick that fan from Everton. I don't blame him for doing that. I'm sorry but you don't get up in a person's face no matter how professional one can be there's always that moment where someone could snap. Fans seem to think that they're untouchable and that needs to stop. Need to keep fans off the pitch, there have been a few similar incidents recently. I mean look at the Billy Sharp situation that happened recently
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Post by vjaska on May 20, 2022 11:36:38 GMT
This is going to sound very controversial for what I'm going to say but for Vieira to kick that fan from Everton. I don't blame him for doing that. I'm sorry but you don't get up in a person's face no matter how professional one can be there's always that moment where someone could snap. Fans seem to think that they're untouchable and that needs to stop. No I can understand why you say that - fans shouldn’t be going on the pitch in the first place. In the last week, we’ve had incidents in four matches where fans have ran on the pitch and something has happened with the most high profile being the Sharp incident
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