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Post by ADH45258 on May 20, 2022 10:04:07 GMT
Personally think that should be split. Paddington to NXG at 7.5 bph and either a "36C" from Victoria to QPK at 5bph (potential there for southbound extension) or divert the 274 at the arch up to Queens Park. Same-stop interchange still though hopper might be an issue. 414 every 10-12 mins would have been a good fit for the Queens Park section. I've previously suggested that the 414 should have been kept unchanged via Warwick Avenue, but with a short extension from Maida Hill to Queens Park. Then divert the 6 via Maida Hill, Royal Oak and Paddington - reinstating a direct link from Paddington to the West End.
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Post by southlondonbus on May 20, 2022 14:37:20 GMT
I did think by now 2 weeks on since the local elections that we would have seen a consultation launched. The long overdue awards of the 11/78/349 and TBC award of the 47 would suggest some form of change in the Liverpool Street and Edmonton area.
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Post by redbus on May 20, 2022 15:07:59 GMT
414 every 10-12 mins would have been a good fit for the Queens Park section. Yes I think the 36 should have been split up a long time ago because the disparity in demand at either end of route, either that or curtail alternate journeys at Paddington. The Queens Park - Paddington section is a relatively small section of the 36. Even this section has its busy times, something not everyone here may be aware of. When planning bus frequencies you have to look at the busiest sections of the route and the busiest times. I am sure TfL have done this and if it in the overall scheme of things it was beneficial to split the route up, they would not hesitated to do so.
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Post by greenboy on May 20, 2022 15:18:35 GMT
Yes I think the 36 should have been split up a long time ago because the disparity in demand at either end of route, either that or curtail alternate journeys at Paddington. The Queens Park - Paddington section is a relatively small section of the 36. Even this section has its busy times, something not everyone here may be aware of. When planning bus frequencies you have to look at the busiest sections of the route and the busiest times. I am sure TfL have done this and if it in the overall scheme of things it was beneficial to split the route up, they would not hesitated to do so. Going back decades the Queens Park section has always had a lesser service than the main part of the route and it doesn't need more than 5 or 6bph now.
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Post by southlondonbus on May 20, 2022 15:30:19 GMT
The Queens Park - Paddington section is a relatively small section of the 36. Even this section has its busy times, something not everyone here may be aware of. When planning bus frequencies you have to look at the busiest sections of the route and the busiest times. I am sure TfL have done this and if it in the overall scheme of things it was beneficial to split the route up, they would not hesitated to do so. Going back decades the Queens Park section has always had a lesser service than the main part of the route and it doesn't need more than 5 or 6bph now. I think up to 2003 it was every 12 mins with an up to 3-7 mins service to Victoria from the south.
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Post by redbus on May 20, 2022 15:52:23 GMT
Going back decades the Queens Park section has always had a lesser service than the main part of the route and it doesn't need more than 5 or 6bph now. I think up to 2003 it was every 12 mins with an up to 3-7 mins service to Victoria from the south. It depends on the time of day and day of the week, as I say there are busy times which need to be considered. It is true that historically the Queens Park section was less frequent, but that was in the days when the route ran in overlapping sections, and where the sections did overlap the combined frequency was significantly higher than today.
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Post by southlondonbus on May 22, 2022 8:05:34 GMT
8 looses 6 buses from PVR and the 205 looses 2 buses.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 22, 2022 12:27:45 GMT
8 looses 6 buses from PVR and the 205 looses 2 buses. Wonder what the chances of these being dumped on the 238 and Barking getting yet another route plagued with those buses are considering they're blinded already.
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Post by vjaska on May 22, 2022 12:42:16 GMT
8 looses 6 buses from PVR and the 205 looses 2 buses. Wonder what the chances of these being dumped on the 238 and Barking getting yet another route plagued with those buses are considering they're blinded already. I suspect they may be used for an upcoming conversion like the 248 instead with the rest coming from Arriva, only my guess though
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Post by southlondonbus on May 22, 2022 17:56:07 GMT
Wonder what the chances of these being dumped on the 238 and Barking getting yet another route plagued with those buses are considering they're blinded already. I suspect they may be used for an upcoming conversion like the 248 instead with the rest coming from Arriva, only my guess though Could allow 6 Scanias to be withdrawn from the 248 early. As for the 205 I can see any hybrids going to the 199 as it almost has a full hybrid allocation and its being tendered later in the year.
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Post by WH241 on May 22, 2022 19:04:44 GMT
8 looses 6 buses from PVR and the 205 looses 2 buses. Wonder what the chances of these being dumped on the 238 and Barking getting yet another route plagued with those buses are considering they're blinded already. I thought the LTs at BW only had front number 238 inserts and used the destinations from the N15 East Ham and N8 Stratford for rail extras? Or I might be mixing these up with conventional deckers at BW.
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Post by WH241 on May 22, 2022 19:06:36 GMT
I suspect they may be used for an upcoming conversion like the 248 instead with the rest coming from Arriva, only my guess though Could allow 6 Scanias to be withdrawn from the 248 early. As for the 205 I can see any hybrids going to the 199 as it almost has a full hybrid allocation and its being tendered later in the year. I personally think these might be returned to TfL for use elsewhere. Unless T need any? I know they do sometimes struggle with allocations on the 55.
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Post by vjaska on May 22, 2022 19:08:52 GMT
Could allow 6 Scanias to be withdrawn from the 248 early. As for the 205 I can see any hybrids going to the 199 as it almost has a full hybrid allocation and its being tendered later in the year. I personally think these might be returned to TfL for use elsewhere. Unless T need any? I know they do sometimes struggle with allocations on the 55. T has 41 LT's (barring any loans) which should be more than enough for route with a PVR of 34
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Post by ADH45258 on May 22, 2022 22:52:40 GMT
I suspect they may be used for an upcoming conversion like the 248 instead with the rest coming from Arriva, only my guess though Could allow 6 Scanias to be withdrawn from the 248 early. As for the 205 I can see any hybrids going to the 199 as it almost has a full hybrid allocation and its being tendered later in the year. Wouldn't be enough to make the 199 fully hybrid anyway. For simplicity I think the 2x E40Hs from the 205 will move to PD. Bow and Plumstead are currently the only garages to have classic Euro6 E40Hs. Could then release a few E40Ds elsewhere?
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Post by VWH1413 on May 24, 2022 12:23:28 GMT
So its mentioned 52 will be having an PVR cut of -2 i.e. every 10 mins. Means 98 and 6 could also see cuts in future if key is £££ even with high usage. Not exactly routes that exclusively carry air. Terrible idea.
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