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Post by WH241 on May 31, 2022 9:45:28 GMT
With today’s announcements due I have a feeling the 15 will be cut with either with a short extension of the 115 further west or a route from the west extended to Aldgate. Whichever option the new route takes the 15 number.
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Post by M1104 on May 31, 2022 10:20:50 GMT
The 355 to run along Streatham place and up Brixton Hill. That could work but at the same time would then break the Kings Ave to Brixton link. It would and I’d rather it not happen in all honesty but TfL are clearly not interested in keeping links. Only other one would be to divert a Camberwell route down to Clapham Park - maybe divert the 40 as a replacement leaving the 355 alone Diverting the 40 is the only plausible alternative i can see as its southern end to Dulwich is covered especially by the 176 with some help with the 185. However, using your same idea from another prospective one could withdraw the 40 and extend the 45 to Clerkenwell Green...in essense re-establishing that section of the route from when it use to go up to King's Cross.
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Post by SILENCED on May 31, 2022 10:28:23 GMT
It would and I’d rather it not happen in all honesty but TfL are clearly not interested in keeping links. Only other one would be to divert a Camberwell route down to Clapham Park - maybe divert the 40 as a replacement leaving the 355 alone Diverting the 40 is the only plausible alternative i can see as its southern end to Dulwich is covered especially by the 176 with some help with the 185. However, using your same idea from another prospective one could withdraw the 40 and extend the 45 to Clerkenwell Green...in essense re-establishing that section of the route from when it use to go up to King's Cross. But diverting the 40 to Peckham was the only realistic alternative as well though.
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Post by ADH45258 on May 31, 2022 10:33:30 GMT
Diverting the 40 is the only plausible alternative i can see as its southern end to Dulwich is covered especially by the 176 with some help with the 185. However, using your same idea from another prospective one could withdraw the 40 and extend the 45 to Clerkenwell Green...in essense re-establishing that section of the route from when it use to go up to King's Cross. But diverting the 40 to Peckham was the only realistic alternative as well though. If the 148 were to be cut back at the White City end, then it could be a good option to extend to Dulwich, given the overlap with the 12 as far as Westminster.
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Post by M1104 on May 31, 2022 10:44:35 GMT
Diverting the 40 is the only plausible alternative i can see as its southern end to Dulwich is covered especially by the 176 with some help with the 185. However, using your same idea from another prospective one could withdraw the 40 and extend the 45 to Clerkenwell Green...in essense re-establishing that section of the route from when it use to go up to King's Cross. But diverting the 40 to Peckham was the only realistic alternative as well though. To be honest I was thinking more on the 45 situation as I reckon that route would be harder hit if withdrawn than the 12...based on my experience of driving the 345 through the heavily residential Loughborough Junction area and seeing how loaded the 35 and 45 often are during shopping hours and weekends. Regarding rerouting the 40 to Peckham, one could also extend the 171 beyond Elephant.
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Post by twobellstogo on May 31, 2022 14:10:26 GMT
With today’s announcements due I have a feeling the 15 will be cut with either with a short extension of the 115 further west or a route from the west extended to Aldgate. Whichever option the new route takes the 15 number. As we are now not to hear of TfL’s plans just yet, I’ll reply by saying/predicting that I think the 15 will either stay as it is, or be extended to obliterate the 11 to Victoria and the 24 to Pimlico.
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Post by southlondonbus on May 31, 2022 14:50:29 GMT
With today’s announcements due I have a feeling the 15 will be cut with either with a short extension of the 115 further west or a route from the west extended to Aldgate. Whichever option the new route takes the 15 number. As we are now not to hear of TfL’s plans just yet, I’ll reply by saying/predicting that I think the 15 will either stay as it is, or be extended to obliterate the 11 to Victoria and the 24 to Pimlico. The 15 from Pimlico to Aldgate could be an option targeted as a touristy service taking in Victoria, Parliament, TSQ, St Paul's, Monument and Tower Of London and terminate at Aldgate Close to Brick Lane Market.
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Post by ADH45258 on May 31, 2022 16:05:14 GMT
As we are now not to hear of TfL’s plans just yet, I’ll reply by saying/predicting that I think the 15 will either stay as it is, or be extended to obliterate the 11 to Victoria and the 24 to Pimlico. The 15 from Pimlico to Aldgate could be an option targeted as a touristy service taking in Victoria, Parliament, TSQ, St Paul's, Monument and Tower Of London and terminate at Aldgate Close to Brick Lane Market. It's possible, but depends on whether TFL are also looking at reducing the Aldgate-Poplar corridor. I think the 91 might also be a good option to extend - but could be rerouted north of Trafalgar Square too to better replace the 24's links, would also reduce the excess capacity between Russell Square and Aldwych. A revised 91 could operate as present from Crouch End to Russell Square, then via the 14 to Tottenham Court Road and the 24 to Pimlico. Also covers the Great Russell Street section of the 14 which may not otherwise be replaced, and introduces some new links from Euston/Kings Cross to The West End, Westminster, and more directly to Victoria. This would also maintain current capacity along Charing Cross Road, and offer same-stop interchange to the 29 for onward journeys to Camden Town. With both the 11 and 24 likely to go, I think the 24's links would be more useful to replace to/from Victoria, as the 11 is mostly paralleled by the Circle line between Sloane Square and Liverpool Street.
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Post by greenboy on May 31, 2022 18:46:33 GMT
The 15 from Pimlico to Aldgate could be an option targeted as a touristy service taking in Victoria, Parliament, TSQ, St Paul's, Monument and Tower Of London and terminate at Aldgate Close to Brick Lane Market. It's possible, but depends on whether TFL are also looking at reducing the Aldgate-Poplar corridor. I think the 91 might also be a good option to extend - but could be rerouted north of Trafalgar Square too to better replace the 24's links, would also reduce the excess capacity between Russell Square and Aldwych. A revised 91 could operate as present from Crouch End to Russell Square, then via the 14 to Tottenham Court Road and the 24 to Pimlico. Also covers the Great Russell Street section of the 14 which may not otherwise be replaced, and introduces some new links from Euston/Kings Cross to The West End, Westminster, and more directly to Victoria. This would also maintain current capacity along Charing Cross Road, and offer same-stop interchange to the 29 for onward journeys to Camden Town. With both the 11 and 24 likely to go, I think the 24's links would be more useful to replace to/from Victoria, as the 11 is mostly paralleled by the Circle line between Sloane Square and Liverpool Street. I think that's a good idea for the 91 although Kingsway and Holborn would lose their link to Trafalgar Square and King's Cross, could extend the 87 to Russell Square and the 59 back to King's Cross.
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Post by Volvo on Jun 1, 2022 5:22:49 GMT
I have seen that TFL are going to discontinue the 4, 11, 12, 14, 16, 24, 31, 45, 72, 74, 78, 242, 349, 521, C3, D7.
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Post by towertransit70 on Jun 1, 2022 5:55:16 GMT
I have seen that TFL are going to discontinue the 4, 11, 12, 14, 16, 24, 31, 45, 72, 74, 78, 242, 349, 521, C3, D7. Yh. Saw on company notice. Thats a shame but not surprised. I drive the 74/430 and whilst it can get busy it's just 2 routes overlapping each other where the demand picks up depends which bus comes first. Especially at night where you might pick up fewer people. Obviously the 430 makes sense to keep because of the Roehampton link. In that case the 430 might just be extended to Baker Street. These cuts will affect drivers but I hope none will lose their jobs. Though I am surprised with the 14 and 11. They usually are busy routes.
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Post by Busboy105 on Jun 1, 2022 6:37:41 GMT
I have seen that TFL are going to discontinue the 4, 11, 12, 14, 16, 24, 31, 45, 72, 74, 78, 242, 349, 521, C3, D7. Hope there will be decent replacements
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Post by greg on Jun 1, 2022 8:17:46 GMT
I have seen that TFL are going to discontinue the 4, 11, 12, 14, 16, 24, 31, 45, 72, 74, 78, 242, 349, 521, C3, D7. Suprised nothing about the 73/476 corridor to be honest
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Post by greenboy on Jun 1, 2022 8:19:38 GMT
I have seen that TFL are going to discontinue the 4, 11, 12, 14, 16, 24, 31, 45, 72, 74, 78, 242, 349, 521, C3, D7. Suprised nothing about the 73/476 corridor to be honest I am as well, also the 139/189.
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Post by greg on Jun 1, 2022 8:25:34 GMT
Suprised nothing about the 73/476 corridor to be honest I am as well, also the 139/189. I know it was announced but optimisticly, with local organisations and MPs and whatever the locals do, at least one of these routes will be saved. TFL get extensive backlash, the change won't happen or at least a minor change. I don't think the locals of the 31 would want that route gone, so we should see some communities. This was the case for the 271 aswell???
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