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Post by greenboy on Jul 12, 2021 10:06:54 GMT
Obviously if it was being withdrawn it wouldn't have been put out to tender. if its obvious why on earth you speculating its being withdrawn then! More to the point, why on earth are you trolling again? It really is getting tiresome, it's quite obvious what I meant.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 12, 2021 10:08:39 GMT
if its obvious why on earth you speculating its being withdrawn then! More to the point, why on earth are you trolling again? It really is getting tiresome, it's quite obvious what I meant. You seem to be the one trolling, you kept saying it was going to be withdrawn and now you say they won't do it.
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Post by titan1mike on Jul 12, 2021 10:13:26 GMT
I thought I'd create a list of all of the bus routes expecting or already received PVR cuts in Central London: Route: PVR reduction - Date 2: 3 - 28/08/2021 7: 6 - 28/08/2021 9: 4 - 28/08/2021 13: 9 - 13/11/2021 16: 4 - 28/08/2021 27: 5 - 28/08/2021 28: 4 - 01/05/2021 30: 4 - 28/08/2021 43: 6 - 28/08/2021 49: 5 - 04/09/2021 55: 5 - 24/07/2021 and/or 26/02/2022 56: 3 - 24/07/2021 and/or 26/02/2022 113: 5 - 28/08/2021 148: 7 - 28/08/2021 156: 1 - 11/09/2021 253: 4 - 04/09/2021 254: 5 - 04/09/2021 328: 4 - 01/05/2021 344: 4 - 21/08/2021 414: 6 - 02/11/2021 507: 6 - 28/08/2021 521: 17 - 28/08/2021 Total Cut - 117 PVR (8 cut already) Remaining - 183 PVR Please correct me if I'm wrong Could I ask where some of this information has come from? I know there are some routes on this list which are tender renewals and some Metroline frequency reductions have already been discussed by a member who works for Metroline but wondering about routes like the 2,9, 27 etc?
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Post by WH241 on Jul 12, 2021 10:14:42 GMT
if its obvious why on earth you speculating its being withdrawn then! More to the point, why on earth are you trolling again? It really is getting tiresome, it's quite obvious what I meant. Me trolling! Sorry not having that. How is it obvious when you said it's likely to be withdrawn within a few years then in another post said its current contract expires in November and ignored the fact it was awarded to Tower Transit using the ex 23 DNHs! You are very subtle with words and quick to pull others up but pehaps you should look at your own behaviour.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 10:19:30 GMT
The current 414 contract expires in November. And Tower Transit have signed a new contract so they expect to operate the route and will require compensation if it doesn't happen. It depends on whether TfL have built in a contract clause allowing for mid-contract withdrawal without financial compensation, they could have also built shorter contract like 3 years with a rolling bi-monthly auto-extension after this allowing for easy withdrawal. There are many option TfL could have added to avoid paying out on a withdrawn route. Although if it was a short contract I’m sure someone here would have said so by now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 10:26:52 GMT
I thought I'd create a list of all of the bus routes expecting or already received PVR cuts in Central London: Route: PVR reduction - Date 2: 3 - 28/08/2021 7: 6 - 28/08/2021 9: 4 - 28/08/2021 13: 9 - 13/11/2021 16: 4 - 28/08/2021 27: 5 - 28/08/2021 28: 4 - 01/05/2021 30: 4 - 28/08/2021 43: 6 - 28/08/2021 49: 5 - 04/09/2021 55: 5 - 24/07/2021 and/or 26/02/2022 56: 3 - 24/07/2021 and/or 26/02/2022 113: 5 - 28/08/2021 148: 7 - 28/08/2021 156: 1 - 11/09/2021 253: 4 - 04/09/2021 254: 5 - 04/09/2021 328: 4 - 01/05/2021 344: 4 - 21/08/2021 414: 6 - 02/11/2021 507: 6 - 28/08/2021 521: 17 - 28/08/2021 Total Cut - 117 PVR (8 cut already) Remaining - 183 PVR Please correct me if I'm wrong Where was the info actually from?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 10:28:45 GMT
The 414 will probably go within a year or two of it being cut to Marble Arch. It won't provide any unique links and the 14, 6, 22 and 74 all provide links between some of the destinations. 14 and 6 should just get a frequency increase and withdraw the 414 because hardly anyone will notice because I bet most people who use it only because it came first as they have other alternatives particularly for short journeys This could make routes 6 & 14 relatively overbussed on their other sections. It will also increase Go-Ahead's "strangle-hold" on route 14, by making it harder for a rival bidder to win the route later. maybe the 14 can be withdrawn
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 10:34:13 GMT
This could make routes 6 & 14 relatively overbussed on their other sections. It will also increase Go-Ahead's "strangle-hold" on route 14, by making it harder for a rival bidder to win the route later. maybe the 14 can be withdrawn If a route was to be withdrawn I would withdraw the 414 over the 14, it just seems to provide less unique links than the 14. The 14 provides a faster and more frequent link between Fulham Broadway and Putney Heath, although there are other buses that connect places in Central London, the 14 does provide unique links such as Russell Square to Piccadilly Circus (and beyond). Yes there's the Piccadilly line but the 14 is a suitable alternative. The 414 could be withdrawn with the 23 diverted to Putney Bridge instead
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Post by WH241 on Jul 12, 2021 10:44:21 GMT
maybe the 14 can be withdrawn If a route was to be withdrawn I would withdraw the 414 over the 14, it just seems to provide less unique links than the 14. The 14 provides a faster and more frequent link between Fulham Broadway and Putney Heath, although there are other buses that connect places in Central London, the 14 does provide unique links such as Russell Square to Piccadilly Circus (and beyond). Yes there's the Piccadilly line but the 14 is a suitable alternative. The 414 could be withdrawn with the 23 diverted to Putney Bridge instead If you mess about with the 23 again it just becomes a bit like the 388 with constant changing of terminal.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 10:44:28 GMT
maybe the 14 can be withdrawn If a route was to be withdrawn I would withdraw the 414 over the 14, it just seems to provide less unique links than the 14. The 14 provides a faster and more frequent link between Fulham Broadway and Putney Heath, although there are other buses that connect places in Central London, the 14 does provide unique links such as Russell Square to Piccadilly Circus (and beyond). Yes there's the Piccadilly line but the 14 is a suitable alternative. The 414 could be withdrawn with the 23 diverted to Putney Bridge instead True. I don't want any routes to be withdrawn, but I do wonder why there are two identical routes between Putney Bridge and Hyde Park Corner. The Hammersmith routes are taking a battering, so I don't see why Putney should be any different.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 10:49:29 GMT
If a route was to be withdrawn I would withdraw the 414 over the 14, it just seems to provide less unique links than the 14. The 14 provides a faster and more frequent link between Fulham Broadway and Putney Heath, although there are other buses that connect places in Central London, the 14 does provide unique links such as Russell Square to Piccadilly Circus (and beyond). Yes there's the Piccadilly line but the 14 is a suitable alternative. The 414 could be withdrawn with the 23 diverted to Putney Bridge instead True. I don't want any routes to be withdrawn, but I do wonder why there are two identical routes between Putney Bridge and Hyde Park Corner. The Hammersmith routes are taking a battering, so I don't see why Putney should be any different. If one had to be withdrawn surely the 414 should go because the 14 provides unique links from Putney Heath to places in Central London like Hyde Park Corner
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Post by M1104 on Jul 12, 2021 11:06:33 GMT
The 414 will probably go within a year or two of it being cut to Marble Arch. It won't provide any unique links and the 14, 6, 22 and 74 all provide links between some of the destinations. 14 and 6 should just get a frequency increase and withdraw the 414 because hardly anyone will notice because I bet most people who use it only because it came first as they have other alternatives particularly for short journeys A pity it couldn't be extended at its southern end to Wandsworth. Have it done so as a trial so that if TfL decide to withdraw the route anyway simply put it down to end of trial.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 12, 2021 11:31:19 GMT
The 414 will probably go within a year or two of it being cut to Marble Arch. It won't provide any unique links and the 14, 6, 22 and 74 all provide links between some of the destinations. 14 and 6 should just get a frequency increase and withdraw the 414 because hardly anyone will notice because I bet most people who use it only because it came first as they have other alternatives particularly for short journeys A pity it couldn't be extended at its southern end to Wandsworth. Have it done so as a trial so that if TfL decide to withdraw the route anyway simply put it down to end of trial. Indeed, it’s nice to see someone come from the positive side - cutting the route rightly or wrongly isn’t going to increase patronage after all & it might end up benefiting others with a partial of full restructure instead rather than defaulting to just binning it
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Post by dashing0ne on Jul 12, 2021 15:59:30 GMT
The 414 will probably go within a year or two of it being cut to Marble Arch. It won't provide any unique links and the 14, 6, 22 and 74 all provide links between some of the destinations. 14 and 6 should just get a frequency increase and withdraw the 414 because hardly anyone will notice because I bet most people who use it only because it came first as they have other alternatives particularly for short journeys Given TfL's toughened financial circumstances, I would withdraw the 414 and give the 14 a slight PVR increase, the 6 doens't need an increase better that many routes slashed of buses.
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Post by dashing0ne on Jul 12, 2021 16:07:59 GMT
The 414 will probably go within a year or two of it being cut to Marble Arch. It won't provide any unique links and the 14, 6, 22 and 74 all provide links between some of the destinations. 14 and 6 should just get a frequency increase and withdraw the 414 because hardly anyone will notice because I bet most people who use it only because it came first as they have other alternatives particularly for short journeys A pity it couldn't be extended at its southern end to Wandsworth. Have it done so as a trial so that if TfL decide to withdraw the route anyway simply put it down to end of trial. Well extending it to Wandsworth would create another unecessary mirror to the 270 and 220. The 414 is a mirror route 14 Putney to Hyde Park Corner (1st half) then following many routes to Marble Arch and (2nd half) mirroring the 6 Marble Arch to Maida Hill. The 2nd half mirror is completely uneccessary whilst the 1st would manage perhaps a 1 or 2 PVR increase to the 414. Your proposal a mirroring 270 and 220 Wandsworth to Putney, (2nd thrid) mirroring route 14 Putney to Hyde Park Corner and (3rd and final third) mirroring the 6 Marble Arch to Maida Hill. Is the 3rd mirror neccessary? The exisitng two route mirror system is not needed, the 414 is never full.
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