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Post by evergreenadam on Jul 12, 2021 19:48:34 GMT
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Post by M1104 on Jul 13, 2021 10:01:13 GMT
A pity it couldn't be extended at its southern end to Wandsworth. Have it done so as a trial so that if TfL decide to withdraw the route anyway simply put it down to end of trial. Indeed, it’s nice to see someone come from the positive side - cutting the route rightly or wrongly isn’t going to increase patronage after all & it might end up benefiting others with a partial of full restructure instead rather than defaulting to just binning it Thanks! It would've been worth a consultation at the very least.
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Post by M1104 on Jul 13, 2021 10:15:51 GMT
A pity it couldn't be extended at its southern end to Wandsworth. Have it done so as a trial so that if TfL decide to withdraw the route anyway simply put it down to end of trial. Well extending it to Wandsworth would create another unecessary mirror to the 270 and 220. The 414 is a mirror route 14 Putney to Hyde Park Corner (1st half) then following many routes to Marble Arch and (2nd half) mirroring the 6 Marble Arch to Maida Hill. The 2nd half mirror is completely uneccessary whilst the 1st would manage perhaps a 1 or 2 PVR increase to the 414. Your proposal a mirroring 270 and 220 Wandsworth to Putney, (2nd thrid) mirroring route 14 Putney to Hyde Park Corner and (3rd and final third) mirroring the 6 Marble Arch to Maida Hill. Is the 3rd mirror neccessary? The exisitng two route mirror system is not needed, the 414 is never full. Not quite an unnecessary mirror as the 220 and 270 come from different directions prior to Putney Bridge and Wandsworth and with the 270 it's not too long an overlapp to Wandsworth. Granted Putney Bridge Road gains more buses but the 414's frequency could be tweeked down to whatever degree necessary whilst establishing how well the round-the-corner link is utilised. As the 414's Marble Arch to Madia Hill's being cut anyway my idea about the route was based on it being Wandsworth to Marble Arch/Lancaster Gate.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 10:28:32 GMT
Right, so none of this, apart from the confirmed changes from tender awards, is actually happening yet.
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Post by TB123 on Jul 13, 2021 10:30:48 GMT
Right, so none of this, apart from the confirmed changes from tender awards, is actually happening yet. Isn't it? Do you know something people who work for operators, who've had to produce revised schedules, don't know?
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Post by greenboy on Jul 13, 2021 10:39:16 GMT
Well extending it to Wandsworth would create another unecessary mirror to the 270 and 220. The 414 is a mirror route 14 Putney to Hyde Park Corner (1st half) then following many routes to Marble Arch and (2nd half) mirroring the 6 Marble Arch to Maida Hill. The 2nd half mirror is completely uneccessary whilst the 1st would manage perhaps a 1 or 2 PVR increase to the 414. Your proposal a mirroring 270 and 220 Wandsworth to Putney, (2nd thrid) mirroring route 14 Putney to Hyde Park Corner and (3rd and final third) mirroring the 6 Marble Arch to Maida Hill. Is the 3rd mirror neccessary? The exisitng two route mirror system is not needed, the 414 is never full. Not quite an unnecessary mirror as the 220 and 270 come from different directions prior to Putney Bridge and Wandsworth and with the 270 it's not too long an overlapp to Wandsworth. Granted Putney Bridge Road gains more buses but the 414's frequency could be tweeked down to whatever degree necessary whilst establishing how well the round-the-corner link is utilised. As the 414's Marble Arch to Madia Hill's being cut anyway my idea about the route was based on it being Wandsworth to Marble Arch/Lancaster Gate. I think the 414 would have to replace either the 220 or 270 to be viable and of course the 28 is a more direct link between Wandsworth and Fulham Broadway.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 13, 2021 10:46:33 GMT
Right, so none of this, apart from the confirmed changes from tender awards, is actually happening yet. Isn't it? Do you know something people who work for operators, who've had to produce revised schedules, don't know? I'm not sure if the postponed review thou was connected to the 4% reduction which I thought had been agreed a while ago and that so far the 49, 55, 56, 148 etc are part of that. TBH so far alot of the intended reductions could probably have happened in 2019 due to the natural reduction in bus usage. Clearly again there has been some Boris bluff about the whole freedom day and it is still a few months before it will be considered nornal to return to working in central London. Certainly it won't be on the 19th.
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Post by WH241 on Jul 13, 2021 11:20:33 GMT
Isn't it? Do you know something people who work for operators, who've had to produce revised schedules, don't know? I'm not sure if the postponed review thou was connected to the 4% reduction which I thought had been agreed a while ago and that so far the 49, 55, 56, 148 etc are part of that. TBH so far alot of the intended reductions could probably have happened in 2019 due to the natural reduction in bus usage. Clearly again there has been some Boris bluff about the whole freedom day and it is still a few months before it will be considered nornal to return to working in central London. Certainly it won't be on the 19th. No it won't be on the 19th but no reason why people can't start returning from that date, the tube is getting really busy seen some very busy tube trains where people have been complaining about the lack of mask wearing, this could actually push people back towards buses as you can space out more.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 13, 2021 11:37:05 GMT
I'm not sure if the postponed review thou was connected to the 4% reduction which I thought had been agreed a while ago and that so far the 49, 55, 56, 148 etc are part of that. TBH so far alot of the intended reductions could probably have happened in 2019 due to the natural reduction in bus usage. Clearly again there has been some Boris bluff about the whole freedom day and it is still a few months before it will be considered nornal to return to working in central London. Certainly it won't be on the 19th. No it won't be on the 19th but no reason why people can't start returning from that date, the tube is getting really busy seen some very busy tube trains where people have been complaining about the lack of mask wearing, this could actually push people back towards buses as you can space out more. I don't think it will if it hasn't already, using buses is such an utter headache I'd rather brace an extremely crowded tube knowing I'm double vaccinated rather than wait 10 minutes for a bus that will get stuck in traffic and still manage to be regulated 3 times on the way.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 18:09:53 GMT
Right, so none of this, apart from the confirmed changes from tender awards, is actually happening yet. Isn't it? Do you know something people who work for operators, who've had to produce revised schedules, don't know? I’ve asked a question, which nobody has answered. Where is any of this confirmed ?
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Post by M1104 on Jul 13, 2021 18:26:52 GMT
Not quite an unnecessary mirror as the 220 and 270 come from different directions prior to Putney Bridge and Wandsworth and with the 270 it's not too long an overlapp to Wandsworth. Granted Putney Bridge Road gains more buses but the 414's frequency could be tweeked down to whatever degree necessary whilst establishing how well the round-the-corner link is utilised. As the 414's Marble Arch to Madia Hill's being cut anyway my idea about the route was based on it being Wandsworth to Marble Arch/Lancaster Gate. I think the 414 would have to replace either the 220 or 270 to be viable and of course the 28 is a more direct link between Wandsworth and Fulham Broadway. I dont think the 28 is really relevant here as it's more about new direct links for Wandsworth to areas such as South Kensington (Museums), Knightsbridge (Harrods) and Hyde Park. Fulham Broadway just happens to be included as it's part of the 414's routing.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jul 14, 2021 10:15:11 GMT
A pity it couldn't be extended at its southern end to Wandsworth. Have it done so as a trial so that if TfL decide to withdraw the route anyway simply put it down to end of trial. Well extending it to Wandsworth would create another unecessary mirror to the 270 and 220. The 414 is a mirror route 14 Putney to Hyde Park Corner (1st half) then following many routes to Marble Arch and (2nd half) mirroring the 6 Marble Arch to Maida Hill. The 2nd half mirror is completely uneccessary whilst the 1st would manage perhaps a 1 or 2 PVR increase to the 414. Your proposal a mirroring 270 and 220 Wandsworth to Putney, (2nd thrid) mirroring route 14 Putney to Hyde Park Corner and (3rd and final third) mirroring the 6 Marble Arch to Maida Hill. Is the 3rd mirror neccessary? The exisitng two route mirror system is not needed, the 414 is never full. The 414 argument you are arguing could be fixed with the 414 dropped to every 10 minutes with M1104s suggestion to extend it to Wandsworth, I really like that idea. Routes in that neck of the woods like the 28/295 are very busy due to the links they provide, the 414 could be an alternative link.
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Post by greenboy on Jul 14, 2021 11:06:33 GMT
Well extending it to Wandsworth would create another unecessary mirror to the 270 and 220. The 414 is a mirror route 14 Putney to Hyde Park Corner (1st half) then following many routes to Marble Arch and (2nd half) mirroring the 6 Marble Arch to Maida Hill. The 2nd half mirror is completely uneccessary whilst the 1st would manage perhaps a 1 or 2 PVR increase to the 414. Your proposal a mirroring 270 and 220 Wandsworth to Putney, (2nd thrid) mirroring route 14 Putney to Hyde Park Corner and (3rd and final third) mirroring the 6 Marble Arch to Maida Hill. Is the 3rd mirror neccessary? The exisitng two route mirror system is not needed, the 414 is never full. The 414 argument you are arguing could be fixed with the 414 dropped to every 10 minutes with M1104s suggestion to extend it to Wandsworth, I really like that idea. Routes in that neck of the woods like the 28/295 are very busy due to the links they provide, the 414 could be an alternative link. Could possibly reroute the 414 over Wandsworth Bridge but even that seems unlikely in the current climate.
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Post by northken on Jul 14, 2021 14:25:37 GMT
It will be weird that the 70 will be more frequent than the 7. I can’t help but think the 70 will be overloaded. If the 7 were reduced to every 10 mins than an even service interval could be introduced - bit of a wasted opportunity.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2021 14:33:11 GMT
The 414 argument you are arguing could be fixed with the 414 dropped to every 10 minutes with M1104s suggestion to extend it to Wandsworth, I really like that idea. Routes in that neck of the woods like the 28/295 are very busy due to the links they provide, the 414 could be an alternative link. Could possibly reroute the 414 over Wandsworth Bridge but even that seems unlikely in the current climate. I really like the idea of diverting the 414 to Wandsworth due to the new links. However I doubt that it will happen, and the 414 will probably cease to exist in a few years due to the lack of unique connections
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