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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 23, 2023 11:53:32 GMT
I'm not sure if extending the 25 to Holborn would help as I guess it would still cut short of TCR and the 133 will now do the same. Perhaps the 26 could have diverted off at Bank to follow the 521 to Waterloo via Holborn Station and the 11 remain as the Liverpool Street to Aldwych link and the 211 staying as it is to Waterloo. That would have removed some capacity as planned along Fleet Street. Then the 59 could have diverted to TCR in place of the 1 and the 188 pulled back to Waterloo using the 521 stand past the station to help reliability. I really can't see the 133 extension being much of a success. The 521 is popular with commuters spilling out of London Bridge who can hop straight on to take them into the City. The 133 stops on Borough High Street so less incentive for commuters coming from the main line station to walk there (I know its only a short distance) and the 521's frequency used to have a very high frequency, 133's isn't as high. It makes far more sense to improve links to the east from Holborn by re-extending the 25 there, I'm sceptical there's demand for a link southwards especially given there are faster alternatives like the 17 anyway. The most likely option with the 133 for most it by the time they have walked to London Bridge and one isn't due for a few mins they will carry on walking now with most think iv already started so I may aswell carry on.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jan 23, 2023 12:48:26 GMT
I really can't see the 133 extension being much of a success. The 521 is popular with commuters spilling out of London Bridge who can hop straight on to take them into the City. The 133 stops on Borough High Street so less incentive for commuters coming from the main line station to walk there (I know its only a short distance) and the 521's frequency used to have a very high frequency, 133's isn't as high. It makes far more sense to improve links to the east from Holborn by re-extending the 25 there, I'm sceptical there's demand for a link southwards especially given there are faster alternatives like the 17 anyway. The most likely option with the 133 for most it by the time they have walked to London Bridge and one isn't due for a few mins they will carry on walking now with most think iv already started so I may aswell carry on. Commuters into London Bridge also have the option to change trains to stations like City Thameslink
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 23, 2023 13:07:12 GMT
The most likely option with the 133 for most it by the time they have walked to London Bridge and one isn't due for a few mins they will carry on walking now with most think iv already started so I may aswell carry on. Commuters into London Bridge also have the option to change trains to stations like City Thameslink City Thameslink improvements with the Thameslink 2000 upgrade is probably what took away some of the 521 demand as City T. Stn is a not too bad walk back to Kingsway and St Paul's/Bank area.
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Post by richard on Jan 24, 2023 14:05:56 GMT
The tiles at the stops between Highbury and Holloway have been changed to show the N271 and 21
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Post by vjaska on Jan 24, 2023 15:40:19 GMT
The tiles at the stops between Highbury and Holloway have been changed to show the N271 and 21 I noticed today that the vast majority of the 271 tiles have been removed with just a small section in the middle still with 271 tiles on stops and of course, the South Grove stand
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 24, 2023 16:49:20 GMT
The tiles at the stops between Highbury and Holloway have been changed to show the N271 and 21 I noticed today that the vast majority of the 271 tiles have been removed with just a small section in the middle still with 271 tiles on stops and of course, the South Grove stand Be interesting to see what happens to the South Grove stand as the bus shelter is probably listed locally.
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Post by Busboy105 on Jan 24, 2023 17:53:02 GMT
I noticed today that the vast majority of the 271 tiles have been removed with just a small section in the middle still with 271 tiles on stops and of course, the South Grove stand Be interesting to see what happens to the South Grove stand as the bus shelter is probably listed locally. Probably will be used for curtailments. TFL did want to get rid of it
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 24, 2023 18:04:20 GMT
Be interesting to see what happens to the South Grove stand as the bus shelter is probably listed locally. Probably will be used for curtailments. TFL did want to get rid of it My guess it would be a pedestrianised space for the community with the seat and shelter left in situ.
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Post by wirewiper on Jan 24, 2023 19:07:27 GMT
Be interesting to see what happens to the South Grove stand as the bus shelter is probably listed locally. Probably will be used for curtailments. TFL did want to get rid of it I gather that it will be repurposed as a small Public Square although there is no reason why the shelter cannot be retained. I will tell the story of the stand when I have more time.
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Post by evergreenadam on Jan 24, 2023 21:36:55 GMT
The 68 would of been in the same boat as the 59 if diverted to Bart’s - it’s not required for people from South London who instead use the three major hospitals of Kings, Guys & Tommies - St Bart’s is part of the East London catchment area which is why the 56 runs there. The 188 is personally the route that could be argued to be cut back due to the long nature of it making it easier to depend on at the North Greenwich end - 68 should remain as is IMO Whilst I'm not a fan of the 59 being pulled from Euston as there's strong patronage between Kennington and Euston, something still needs to replace the 521. Everyone believes that passengers displaced from the 25 west of Holborn Circus are all using the Tube. The 8 is not enough on its own to operate along High Holborn. Extend the 98 to St Bart’s? That would make good use some of the spare capacity between Oxford Circus and Holborn as well as reinstating links to Oxford Street.
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Post by evergreenadam on Jan 24, 2023 21:44:01 GMT
Remember the costing for operating the 59 and 133 will largely remain the same as they are diversions rather then extensions so pretty much whatever the 521 cost to run each year will be saved. But ironically, according to others, your overbussing a section that people complained about and wanted the 521 axed - 521 is getting axed and the section will have even more capacity because of a needless diversion of two double decker routes that are more useful in their current guises I presume the 133 to Liverpool Street is very popular and therefore when that is rerouted you will lose revenue from those passengers who are inconvenienced.
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Post by enviroPB on Jan 24, 2023 22:41:13 GMT
Whilst I'm not a fan of the 59 being pulled from Euston as there's strong patronage between Kennington and Euston, something still needs to replace the 521. Everyone believes that passengers displaced from the 25 west of Holborn Circus are all using the Tube. The 8 is not enough on its own to operate along High Holborn. Extend the 98 to St Bart’s? That would make good use some of the spare capacity between Oxford Circus and Holborn as well as reinstating links to Oxford Street. In all honesty, the 25 should at least be reinstated to High Holborn to give a same stop interchange with the 98. There's the option to curtail to Holborn Station if congestion gets too bad and passengers are within walking distance to the West End should they wish to opt for that mode of transport. The 98 does a fantastic job of taking people the length of Oxford Street to Holborn for further eastbound bus travel. The only thing missing is a bus commencing at Holborn serving the east; not the 133 as that will dart south of the river without ever serving an east London postcode.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jan 28, 2023 5:24:57 GMT
Re the 521 there isn’t really many buses that can be extended from the east. The 26 is going to Victoria now, the 242 was cut back years ago. The 8 get’s rammed heading to Tottenham Court Road and you still get passengers on the 25 all the way to City Thames Link who then want to head further west. The 59 and 133 are not going to really help passengers heading past Holborn towards Oxford Street which is where most are heading, the stops between Chancery Lane and Holborn are usually always busy. I guess the only other option would have been extending a route from the north. I'm not sure if extending the 25 to Holborn would help as I guess it would still cut short of TCR and the 133 will now do the same. Perhaps the 26 could have diverted off at Bank to follow the 521 to Waterloo via Holborn Station and the 11 remain as the Liverpool Street to Aldwych link and the 211 staying as it is to Waterloo. That would have removed some capacity as planned along Fleet Street. Then the 59 could have diverted to TCR in place of the 1 and the 188 pulled back to Waterloo using the 521 stand past the station to help reliability. Maybe the answer would have been to extend route 25 to Waterloo and extend/divert route 98 to London Bridge.
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Post by rif153 on Jan 28, 2023 14:02:26 GMT
I'm not sure if extending the 25 to Holborn would help as I guess it would still cut short of TCR and the 133 will now do the same. Perhaps the 26 could have diverted off at Bank to follow the 521 to Waterloo via Holborn Station and the 11 remain as the Liverpool Street to Aldwych link and the 211 staying as it is to Waterloo. That would have removed some capacity as planned along Fleet Street. Then the 59 could have diverted to TCR in place of the 1 and the 188 pulled back to Waterloo using the 521 stand past the station to help reliability. Maybe the answer would have been to extend route 25 to Waterloo and extend/divert route 98 to London Bridge. I remember seeing an interesting proposal on here to extend the 25 to Waterloo via Fetter Lane after the 341 was rerouted. The most important thing with the 25 is restoring the link through to Holborn so people can still reach Oxo with a single change which would be achieved by restoring the links to Holborn. Sadly that's not going to happen as TFL want people from the East End to use the Liz line instead.
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Post by evergreenadam on Jan 31, 2023 23:32:14 GMT
Route 40 being reduced from x8 to x10mins.
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