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Post by vjaska on Jul 29, 2021 11:47:26 GMT
I’ve always treated every bus stop as a request stop and really that’s how it should be - if you don’t signal clearly to the driver, don’t moan when the bus doesn’t stop. Same about getting off - if you don’t ring the bell, wave bye to your stop.
I’ve done the whole sitting at a bus stop not waiting for a bus or sitting there waiting for a particular route or bus and had drivers pull up despite just me at the stop and the fact I never signalled for it either nor were these early running either
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Post by rugbyref on Jul 30, 2021 18:01:11 GMT
If I am alone at the bus stop I wave off the routes I don’t require and generally get thanked by driver.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 30, 2021 19:04:19 GMT
An interesting scenario is when people wave down a group of buses and require one behind the one in front. This one can get sticky as you indicated, but the driver probably didn't see so just flies past on the overtake.
I saw this happen the other day, a 62 and 173 were both following each other on the A13 flying quite fast and someone indicated for the 62, but wanted the 173 and was surprised when it flew past.
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Post by Paul on Jul 30, 2021 20:01:45 GMT
If I am alone at the bus stop I wave off the routes I don’t require and generally get thanked by driver. This is VERY much appreciated. Some drivers might not give a wave of thanks back but I certainly do. I do get amused though when people wave me off and then do it a little more forcefully when I stop anyway because someone wants to get off! I might also stop if I think I might have a mystery shopper on board - after all the guidelines are to stop regardless |
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Post by abellion on Aug 10, 2021 12:40:37 GMT
An interesting scenario is when people wave down a group of buses and require one behind the one in front. This one can get sticky as you indicated, but the driver probably didn't see so just flies past on the overtake. I saw this happen the other day, a 62 and 173 were both following each other on the A13 flying quite fast and someone indicated for the 62, but wanted the 173 and was surprised when it flew past. I've seen this happen so many times when there are lots of buses that serve one stop, sometimes it would be so useful if there were more stops depending on where a bus goes in certain busy places. Notably a 155 was regulating in Clapham South and a 249 flew past, a very angry man started shouting at the driver complaining about missing the bus |
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 10, 2021 12:50:00 GMT
An interesting scenario is when people wave down a group of buses and require one behind the one in front. This one can get sticky as you indicated, but the driver probably didn't see so just flies past on the overtake. I saw this happen the other day, a 62 and 173 were both following each other on the A13 flying quite fast and someone indicated for the 62, but wanted the 173 and was surprised when it flew past. I've seen this happen so many times when there are lots of buses that serve one stop, sometimes it would be so useful if there were more stops depending on where a bus goes in certain busy places. Notably a 155 was regulating in Clapham South and a 249 flew past, a very angry man started shouting at the driver complaining about missing the bus Yet another example of regulation being for the benefit of the passenger ... 🤣😂🤣🤣😂🤣😂🤣😅 |
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Post by ronnie on Aug 10, 2021 15:20:37 GMT
I've seen this happen so many times when there are lots of buses that serve one stop, sometimes it would be so useful if there were more stops depending on where a bus goes in certain busy places. Notably a 155 was regulating in Clapham South and a 249 flew past, a very angry man started shouting at the driver complaining about missing the bus Yet another example of regulation being for the benefit of the passenger ... 🤣😂🤣🤣😂🤣😂🤣😅 Or you are told your bus will be held for 7 min, you see another bus on a different route heading the same way and you have to go 5 stops, you quickly get down and board the other one. And the other one gets regulated at the next stop … |
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Post by greenboy on Aug 11, 2021 9:25:10 GMT
An interesting scenario is when people wave down a group of buses and require one behind the one in front. This one can get sticky as you indicated, but the driver probably didn't see so just flies past on the overtake. I saw this happen the other day, a 62 and 173 were both following each other on the A13 flying quite fast and someone indicated for the 62, but wanted the 173 and was surprised when it flew past. I've seen this happen so many times when there are lots of buses that serve one stop, sometimes it would be so useful if there were more stops depending on where a bus goes in certain busy places. Notably a 155 was regulating in Clapham South and a 249 flew past, a very angry man started shouting at the driver complaining about missing the bus So have I and the southbound Marble Arch/Park Lane stop is terrible for this, just far too many buses trying to serve the same stop. |
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 11, 2021 9:29:11 GMT
An interesting scenario is when people wave down a group of buses and require one behind the one in front. This one can get sticky as you indicated, but the driver probably didn't see so just flies past on the overtake. I saw this happen the other day, a 62 and 173 were both following each other on the A13 flying quite fast and someone indicated for the 62, but wanted the 173 and was surprised when it flew past. If I was driving and a solitary passenger flagged down the bus in front of me, I would assume that was the bus they wanted! |
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 11, 2021 9:44:02 GMT
An interesting scenario is when people wave down a group of buses and require one behind the one in front. This one can get sticky as you indicated, but the driver probably didn't see so just flies past on the overtake. I saw this happen the other day, a 62 and 173 were both following each other on the A13 flying quite fast and someone indicated for the 62, but wanted the 173 and was surprised when it flew past. If I was driving and a solitary passenger flagged down the bus in front of me, I would assume that was the bus they wanted! If you were right behind the other bus, how would you expect the passenger to flag your bus down then? |
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Post by greenboy on Aug 11, 2021 9:51:04 GMT
An interesting scenario is when people wave down a group of buses and require one behind the one in front. This one can get sticky as you indicated, but the driver probably didn't see so just flies past on the overtake. I saw this happen the other day, a 62 and 173 were both following each other on the A13 flying quite fast and someone indicated for the 62, but wanted the 173 and was surprised when it flew past. If I was driving and a solitary passenger flagged down the bus in front of me, I would assume that was the bus they wanted! If I were in any doubt at all I would stop anyway......... common practice seems to be for passengers to hold their arm up rather than out if they want the bus behind. |
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Post by M1104 on Aug 11, 2021 10:32:44 GMT
I've seen this happen so many times when there are lots of buses that serve one stop, sometimes it would be so useful if there were more stops depending on where a bus goes in certain busy places. Notably a 155 was regulating in Clapham South and a 249 flew past, a very angry man started shouting at the driver complaining about missing the bus So have I and the southbound Marble Arch/Park Lane stop is terrible for this, just far too many buses trying to serve the same stop. Same with some bus stops along Streatham High Road between the Odeon Cinema and Streatham Hill Station....the two northbound stops right after side street corners being the worse. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 26, 2021 10:49:39 GMT
Confusingly from memory some compulsory stops had tiles which said something like night buses stop on request (so were part time bit of each) I seem to remember that night buses officially treated all stops as request stops anyway. I think those tiles may have been used at stops where there were too many night routes to fit individual tiles for each route (particularly in the West End on approaches to Trafalgar Square). The rule was as you say for night buses every stop was to be treated as a request stop. i.e. intending passengers MUST signal the bus to stop. That rule was quietly dropped around 12 years ago. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 26, 2021 11:02:18 GMT
I stick my hand out to get on and ring the bell to get off at any bus stop. I’ve had it where if I don’t, they just go past. What about when there's only 1 bus route that serves a stop. Wouldn't it be obvious to the driver that you'd want to get on that bus without sticking out your hand? I have known drivers who went past bus stops that were request and because intending passengers did not stick their hand out they drove past; this is on roads only served by one bus route. This imo is insensitive and ridiculous. One driver on route 58 used to do this on Cann Hall Road, it was not nice, and the driver on the bus behind always got the abuse because of this. But because of the rule book, he would get away with it. In the early 2000's there was a review of bus stops and some compulsory stops were turned into request to speed up services. This was when Ken L was trying to make a success of buses. Other heavily used request stops were changed to compulsory. Then compulsory (white) the driver had to stop at the stop and passengers did not need to signal the bus to stop. The request (red) passengers had to signal (flag down) the bus to stop. Around 2008 due to many complaints TfL reviewed that they were to abolish the request stop and when the time came around every request (red) stop would be changed to compulsory. From around this time IIRC bus drivers were actively told that they must treat EVERY bus stop as a compulsory stop regardless of flag colour and passengers no longer had to signal the bus to stop. However a decade after we still get instances of a very small drivers still go past stops with intending passengers, because they did not put their hand out to stop the bus etc. |
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Post by greenboy on Aug 26, 2021 11:09:02 GMT
What about when there's only 1 bus route that serves a stop. Wouldn't it be obvious to the driver that you'd want to get on that bus without sticking out your hand? I have known drivers who went past bus stops that were request and because intending passengers did not stick their hand out they drove past; this is on roads only served by one bus route. This imo is insensitive and ridiculous. One driver on route 58 used to do this on Cann Hall Road, it was not nice, and the driver on the bus behind always got the abuse because of this. But because of the rule book, he would get away with it. In the early 2000's there was a review of bus stops and some compulsory stops were turned into request to speed up services. This was when Ken L was trying to make a success of buses. Other heavily used request stops were changed to compulsory. Then compulsory (white) the driver had to stop at the stop and passengers did not need to signal the bus to stop. The request (red) passengers had to signal (flag down) the bus to stop. Around 2008 due to many complaints TfL reviewed that they were to abolish the request stop and when the time came around every request (red) stop would be changed to compulsory. From around this time IIRC bus drivers were actively told that they must treat EVERY bus stop as a compulsory stop regardless of flag colour and passengers no longer had to signal the bus to stop. However a decade after we still get instances of a very small drivers still go past stops with intending passengers, because they did not put their hand out to stop the bus etc. Yes I've heard drivers bragging about doing just that "the silly **** didn't put their hand out so I left them standing there", as you say not strictly against the rules just stupid. |
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